L I P T H I N K The magazine of electronic on-line intercourse. No.1, November 1992 A Swagazine Rack Exclusive Featuring conversation and stories from the Santa Barbara telecom community. http://www.swagazine.com/ Originally published by Swagman and Colin Campbell. Online edition designed and edited by Zeylan. ----- Welcome to Lip Think. This is a collection of printouts from the on-line world of modem communications in Santa Barbara. Most of us are high school or college students, or workers in the computer world. Despite what you might have heard, the youth of today are still able to read -- and to write. However, most users spent most of their time downloading pornography in a form called GIFs. Naturally, our contributors are above all that. ----- Fun by Buccaneer Fun ye says? Well, thar's fun me an' tha lads never tire of! As black night shrouds tha sky, we weigh anchor and sail over this glittering little town, above tha foul reek o' yer motorcarts, where tha air is cool and clean, and tha only sound is canvas rustling in the breeze. Moonlight plays across the decks of the 'Crescent Moon' (named for the crescent moon cut in my cabin door), givin' a sparkle to the dewdrops hanging from the rigging. The whole ship glistens as we sail in silence over the blissfully ignorant gentry of this loot-pot. Over State we sail, spitting over the rails, betting on who can nail that lady below in her lovely white dress, talking to her poodle as if tha two were of the same mind. Probably are. She looks into the trees, thinking it was a bird, but can't see our black-hulled ship drifting above. And to the luckless folk, bent, dirty, and shaggy, we drops a small gift o' wine, or leg o' mutton. They care little fer their bruised noggins, fer tha food's good. A wee tot looks up and points when we sails past the Arlington tower, an' we can hear her little voice as she points "Look, mum, a pirate ship!" 'er mum just drags tha little tyke along like baggage. Half a crown to tha mate who lands a loogie on her mum's head! Full sail, mates! We drift over the sea a bit, skirting the top of the fog-bank. White mist billows from the bow, curling around our heads, feeling cold and damp. Silence. Over the small college town we lower sails, for the sounds of revelry are heard below. The crew is anxious for a bit of sport, and with a nod from myself, they drop ropes over the rails and slide down to crash a party or two. Peals of laughter, breaking glass, shrieks of women. Ha! It's their fun, though, overturning motorcarts, poking the wenches to find the best pair, stuffing their shirts with ale bottles 'til they look like misshapen monsters, snarling broken-toothed in the faces of any with nerve to hold ground. Back up the ropes they scramble, for flashing lights warn of coming help for the hapless peasants. Brought a few plump wenches aboard for an evening's fun? Good for them! Silently snicker, peering over the rails as bloodied peasants point to the sky, right at our black ship, but blue-suited soldiers see nothing. Peals of laughter as soldiers take away a few dazed youths. Some hear us, and shout curses. Spit on their heads! On we sail, southwest, toward the beckoning mountains. We drop ballast, and rise higher for the crossing, singing The Ramblin' Rover as loud as we can. Over the mountains, we turn to follow the crest southward. The lookout calls, "Look below!" Over the rails we peer, hoping for something to spit on. The song ends, there is crushed silence. Below us, the land is raped, stripped of the life and beauty given it by his Lordship what made us. Desperate metal monsters rape the land, plunging up and down, up and down, stealing their pleasure. There is no tree, no grass, for the wild things to live in. Only dusty trails crossing back and fro, gleaming white as bare bone in the moonlight. Curses to the fools! So shall the rest of the land be, in less time than the old can forget the beauty of a walk in a forest, singing with the birds, tippin' a plumed pompadour to the sun, smelling dewdrops on the sagebrush. They're fools. They hide in their lordly mansions, not daring to show their faces where we can spit on 'em. Onward we sail, the lookout watchin' for some revelrous hall to raid. The crew will be especially fierce tonight, as there is anger in their hearts. The wenches they've taken are cowed by their anger. Like cows they've lived, sailing with us might open their eyes a bit, do them some good, though the crew will tire of them by morning and leave them somewhere precarious with nary a stitch of clothing. Top of the clock tower is a favorite. Top of a sea-borne earth-raping oil derrick is another. It gives them something to remember us by. ----- Describe it to Me by Douglas Seacat "You sure there's nothing else I can do for you?" Mark asked, his tone cautious, gentle. As if he would break something by speaking harsh. It was all just too much. I didn't want to deal with this right now, with the sympathy, the effort to help the poor blind man. Mark was a good friend, but he was too nice. I didn't need nice. I sat there, feeling helpless, trapped, and wanted to scream. Instead, my mind grabbed on the first thing I could think of. "Hey, yeah, there's something." "Anything to help, man, I'm serious. Just ask." "I know there's a pet shop downstairs, right on this block, around the corner. Find me the number in the yellow pages." There was a hesitation, and I could hear him shifting in his chair, letting that sink in. Granted, it was a pretty random request. I was pleased by his confusion, in a perverse way, but didn't smile like I wanted to. "Er, sure." I heard him get up, and then there was a pause, and later a thunk as he put something heavy down on a table. I imagined the book, could think of the exact thickness, the color, the words across the top. He was a good friend. He followed the instructions. I could hear the pages turning. "Hey, John, what do you want with a pet store anyhow?" Even that question didn't sound normal. Cautious, as if he feared to upset me, but couldn't hold his curiosity. He was really annoying me. "I don't know." I tried to examine my own mixed feelings, "I want something normal here. My folks have been through, setting everything up, making sure it was safe. I don't even feel like I live here anymore. I don't know. I think an animal might help. The thought just occurred to me." "Yeah, that sounds good." He was quick to agree, quick to take any explanation that might fit. Not that I'd lied, but it was jarring to me to know I could read him so well, read his discomfort with the entire situation. "Here we go, I'll write it down..." He paused again, "Or, I guess I'll just tell you the number, huh? Will you remember it? I can call it for you, if you want." "Just tell me the number, thanks." I felt so formal, like I was talking with one of those nurses or something. I shouldn't be talking with Mark like that, but I couldn't help it. "I'll call it myself." "766-1451." I asked him to repeat it again, and focused hard. He told me again, and then paused uncomfortably, "You were right, it's practically right downstairs." He waited again, and I imagined him standing there, looking at me, a worried confused expression on his face. What color was his hair? Could I have lost it so fast? No, brown, it was brown, I remembered. I saw him moving to catch a frisbee, his brown hair dark in the bright sun. But even that had taken on a haze of unreality, more like something I'd dreamed than a real memory. He was waiting for something, and not feeling comfortable. I could tell since he was shifting in his seat. He even stood up, and brought the phone over to me, and then waited again. "Hey, dude, you don't have to watch over me like a sick bird or something." I chuckled a little forcefully, "I can take it from here, trust me." "I'm sorry. Didn't know I was being so obnoxious." I sighed, "It's alright. I've been having so much attention lately, I'm going out of my head. I had mom and dad here, setting up the furniture. Then Rachel called me, if you can believe that. I haven't heard from her in about a year, and she calls when she hears about the accident. I just need time to myself. To do some things for myself, you know?" "I can understand." He was all for understanding, you could hear it in his tone. There was relief there too, and I could sympathize. He didn't need to be spending all his time over here, helping out his blind friend. Still, he wanted so much to help, "But is there anything else? You want me to lead you to the pet shop? Wouldn't be any problem." "Don't worry about it, alright? I've lived in this place for over a year; I can find my way around the corner. Just get outta here, and I'll call you if I need anything." "Sure, sure. Don't hesitate to call, even if it's late or anything. I'll talk with you later." He stood up, his footsteps went to the door, which opened directly afterward. It was funny, sitting there, thinking about the entire thing. Mark had really been annoying me, bothering me so much I could barely hold it back. But he was there for me, and it felt pretty damned good. I didn't want him there now, though, didn't want him there at all. But, I had to give him credit; most people wouldn't do what he'd done. "Hey, Mark," I said, as I heard the door about to close. "Thanks a lot. You've been a big help, really. I couldn't have made it without you, man." And the door closed, after he made some self depreciating remark. I was feeling emotional, pretty worked up, everything was suddenly heavy on my heart. It was one of those times when you know you're alone, and you're glad you're alone, but you feel overcome with emotion. Everything was hitting me at once. I hate that feeling, so I picked up the phone. "Levar's Pet Supplies, this is Samantha." she answered, with a very pretty voice, clear and bright. It was just the sound I needed. That voice was happy, and it didn't have any problems at the moment. It cheered me up immediately. "Uh, yeah, hi. I was just wondering, do you sell dogs?" "We sure do. At the moment we're low on stock; we're a fairly small operation. Mostly, we just sell supplies for your pets, but we do have a few animals for sale. If you're really looking for a good variety, you should check out Pet City, or the pound. We do have a large variety of canaries, however." I'm sure I was imagining it, but it sounded like she was depressed when she suggested the other places. It was probably my own wishes, but it seemed she didn't want me to go to those other places. "Oh, I live right in the neighborhood, so I wouldn't want to go somewhere far." "Oh, good! A local customer. Maybe we can find something for you," her voice was warming to me, and it felt good. It was just a hint of playfulness, a vocal flirtation. Again, my paranoia insisted I imagined it, but her voice was so pretty, and she seemed quite helpful. "Hey, how about if you describe one of them to me?" "Excuse me?" "Well, I'm sure you've got a favorite, of the dogs you have there in the store. Please, describe it to me, your favorite." "Well, we aren't supposed to play favorites, but..." she was definitely warming up to me, even if just on the phone. My mind insisted: Good Salesmanship, but I found myself smiling to myself, holding the phone to my ear as she continued. "There's this one little Shetland Sheepdog. That's a miniature Collie, that is quite intelligent. It's a small little dog, about a foot long, with very warm brown coloring. It has white feet, and tufts of black along its nose. It's hardly more than a puppy, but it has very striking expressions. It's an adorable dog, but also clever, as I said. And, it was the runt of the litter, so it won't grow up too large, in case you're worried about that." "Sounds perfect. I do live in an apartment, so I wouldn't want a large dog." "I think we've found a match. You should come down here and look at all the dogs. We've got three other ones, two spaniels, and a doberman pup. They're all good dogs, and I wouldn't want to prejudice you. Why don't you come down here and see for yourself?" I felt a thrill at that, nervous and scared, "I might just do that. Say, are you there all day today?" "I'll be here until five. As I said, my name's Samantha, and I wear a name tag. You can't miss me. If you're in the neighborhood, you ought to come down right now." "I think I just might. I ought to get a dog as soon as possible. Thanks, Samantha, you've been very helpful. I'll see you in a little bit." It's absolutely terrifying to go outside. I'd forgotten. Until now, I'd always had my folks, or one of my friends with me whenever I'd go somewhere. It was hard enough just staying on the sidewalk, waving that damned cane around. I felt like an idiot, and imagined I looked absolutely pitiful, staring off into space, tapping the ground. Typical fucking handicapped freak. And the thing is, what if someone was coming down the sidewalk? I wouldn't want to smack them with the cane, and they'd probably just go around me, out of fear of an embarrassing incident. They'd either walk on the grass or just cross to the other side of the street. I was like a walking hazard. Corners were a major pain in the ass. The curb caught me off guard, and I had to backtrack back and find the turn. Then there was the alleyway which I'd forgotten about; for a second I panicked and thought I'd ended up in the street. I wonder how many people were watching me flailing around out there. I suppose I'll get used to it, but right now it just freaked me out. It was enough that I wanted to turn around, go home, and hide. I would have, too, if it was really home I'd be going back to, but it hardly seemed like my apartment any more. I didn't feel comfortable there, so I might as well just keep walking, hoping I'd find the shop soon. The hardest part, it turned out, was finding out where exactly the pet shop was. Once I was sure I was in the general area, I just stood there, feeling stupid, and waited for the sounds of a person nearby. They were overly polite, and completely helpful. In a different mood it might have given me a new outlook on the human race. As it was, I just felt embarrassed. The little bell rang, and in I was, in a pet shop. I could hear the animals, especially the birds, which talked to each other nonstop. Again, I just kinda stood there, and waited, hoping humanity would toss me a line. "Can I help you sir?" It was the voice, Samantha, but wavering, uncertain. God, I felt like shit right there, knowing I was an imposition. To hear that voice quaver with uncertainty, it just made my hands shake. "Uh, yeah." I decided to be brave, and I walked forward, moving toward that voice. I was careful, though, wary of unseen counters, and didn't move too far. "Are you Samantha? I called a little while ago, about a dog." "Oh, was that you?" Her voice was back, and I almost sighed at the sound of it, the amused tone. She moved around, standing closer to me. "What, were you playing a little prank on me? Asking me to describe a dog? Making fun of the storekeeper, eh?" Her voice was so damned beautiful, with all that amusement, that the meaning caught me off guard. "Hm? No! I wasn't playing a joke or anything. I wanted to hear you describe the dog." It was a relief, in a weird way, that she wasn't being delicate with me. I hadn't expected that. She wasn't talking to me like I was about to shatter before her. I almost fell in love with her on the spot, just because of that. "Sure, I'll bet." I imagined her smiling to me, and I wanted so badly to see that smile. I smiled back, just in case. "You were sitting there thinking, 'Ah, let's hear the stupid sighted person spend all her time describing a dog I can't even see.' I know, I can see how you operate." "Oh, a cynic." I chuckled, "No, really. It wasn't like that at all. The truth is, I've only been blind for a short time, so I wanted to imagine a dog, and I thought it'd be nice if you'd describe one to me." Somewhere in there, I guess my voice lost its humor, and I was speaking earnestly. I don't know why it happened, just that I wanted someone, her especially, to understand. "Oh, I guess I'll forgive you then. It must be hard, if you haven't been blind for long. I can see how you'd want something like that." She had gotten serious too, which made me nervous at first, but she still hadn't gotten that tone in her voice: the tone Mark had, which drove me insane. "Can you bring me the dog? The one you described? I really do want a dog." I felt nervous, with this strong woman who didn't mind my blindness. What was she like? I already felt so attracted to her, it was intense. I wanted to see her, to know what she looked like, to look into her eyes. She left to get the dog, leaving me with my thoughts. What a new experience, to feel so attracted to a woman, without knowing if I was really attracted to her. And what did it mean to be attracted to a woman anymore? Did it really matter what she looked like? Wasn't her voice enough? Of course, I didn't even know if she was fat, or if she had nice legs, or how her breasts were shaped. How strange. "Here we go," came her voice, and something soft was moved into me, surprising me. I brought my hands up, letting my cane fall to the strap about my wrist, and held the dog, a moving living soft bunch of fur. A wet tongue left a smelly trail across my nose, and I struggled with the little creature, finally getting it comfortable in my arms. It was funny, and I was smiling before I knew it, holding a dog for the first time in a long while. "I think he likes you," she said, standing very close to me, perhaps worried about the dog, perhaps not. It was then, while holding the dog, that I was so overcome with desire for this woman, so full of curiosity. I just wanted to reach out, touch her, find out everything I couldn't know. But that was impossible. It was so strange, to think of a relationship with her. She was only a voice to me, a friendly helpful voice that brought me a dog. Even if I dated her, how long would it be before I knew anything about her body, her face? How could I stand to just know a woman by her voice? I was standing there, getting to know this dog, whose image I had in Samantha's voice. The whole time I was vividly aware of how close she was to me, the height of her lips, from which her voice emerged. Was her hair long? Was it tied back in a cute little pony-tail? How old was she, anyhow? She seemed of complimentary age, still young, but how could I be sure? Perhaps she was far too young. How would her humorous, sensitive personality respond if a blind man asked her on a date? "Now, I want you to know, it's not easy keeping a dog, especially in an apartment. You should only buy him if you're ready for something like that." "I've had a dog before, when I was just a little kid, and I handled it alright then." I scratched behind his ear, wondering what his name should be. I already wanted him, liked the feel of his fur on my fingers. "Maybe, but it won't be so easy now, especially if you have a job, and live alone." There was the hint of question there. "Yeah, I live alone, but my work is only part-time. I'm a student, so I've got a good amount of free time. I think I could give him the time he needs." Her hand patted the dog's head, and I just got the edge of it, the slight feel of her skin against mine. Not enough to base anything on, but enough to send another thrill through me. "I'm glad you think about it like that. I'd feel much better about you having a dog if you're worried about giving it attention. But, you said you haven't been blind for long." She was up front, I had to give her that, "Are you sure you want another responsibility on top of that?" It was a very personal question, but I didn't mind at all. Suddenly I didn't even know if anyone else even existed in the shop, it was just me, her, and the dog in my arms. Nothing else mattered. "I think I need it right now. My house is so damned empty. I need something to take my mind off things. Taking care of a dog might do me good." "I think you might be right. Okay, you've passed the test. You can have him," the humor was back in her voice, a warm current of life, "But I'll hear about it if you don't treat him well. You'd better come in here if you need any advice." "I'll make sure of that, don't you worry." "Say, you can't even use your cane holding him like that. Do you want me to come with you, to bring the dog over to your apartment?" What was she doing? I felt another surge of panic, mixed with doubt and uncertainty. Of course, it was just concern for the dog, I figured, she just didn't want the dog getting hurt. "Hey, that's not necessary. I wouldn't want you leaving the shop and everything." "No, really, it's no problem. Lilly's in back; I'll just get her to cover for me until we get back. You said you were right in the neighborhood, after all." I hardly remember the rest of the transaction, except I left with many more dog-items than I would ever have thought of on my own. As we walked out the door, she let me take her hand so she could help lead me, and it seemed all my attention focused there, to that one place of contact. We talked some on the way home, and she continued to surprise me with her frankness. We didn't speak of much, it wasn't all that far to go, mainly my accident and how I'd ended up this way. It was amazing how up front she was, and the fact that she didn't mind what I was saying allowed me to speak about the things that hurt worst. Before I even expected it, we were back. I was kinda surprised I didn't just keep walking, but I knew the area just a little too well for that. I'd already started working my mind on two levels: imagining the world I moved in, while talking and thinking at the same time. We stood there for a little while, right before the steps, and I assured her I'd be alright. When I was about to leave, I wanted so badly to ask her out, to ask her to come upstairs. It would have worked, I knew it would have worked. It's easy to take advantage of people when you're handicapped. People want to help you, and I could have let her help me. At least to talk with her more, to ask her if she had a boyfriend, if she wanted to go to dinner. A thousand possibilities went through my mind. But in the end I couldn't do it. It was just too scary. I couldn't handle not knowing. Not knowing what she looked like, if she was just a voice and nothing else. I just wanted to get my dog home, and forget the frightening world of women I couldn't see. When I was safely back inside, her voice echoed in my ears, in my memory. All I could think of was the sound of that voice, the nearness of her body, the warmth of her hand. Immediately, I berated myself for not asking her out. I couldn't believe I hadn't asked her on a date. Hadn't she seemed interested? Or at least friendly. Even in rejection, she would have been gentle. Suddenly I stopped trying to imagine what she looked like. The voice was enough, the voice and the humor it held. But I imagined that humor turned on me, and laughing at me, or simply quavering again, not wanting to hurt me as she told me "No." A feeling of dread sunk coldly to my stomach, and I found myself hunkering down somewhat in the chair, holding a squirming dog that wanted to be free. I let him down carefully on the floor, immediately despairing of ever finding him again. The world outside was a scary place, and I could hardly imagine going out there again. Perhaps it was better to hide, better to stop pretending I wasn't about to shatter under a tough blow. From somewhere outside came the song of birds. I considered how those birds weren't in cages, waiting to be sold. But the free ones didn't hear that beautiful voice every day. How terrible to be imprisoned in a cage and still unable to hear that voice. I stayed feeling sorry for myself for just a little while, but then picked up the phone. I couldn't remember the number for a few seconds, but it came back to me. After two rings, her voice touched me. "Samantha? Hi...Yeah, it's me. Hm? Oh, he's doing just fine." I had to take a second to collect myself, "Hey, can you describe yourself to me?" ----- De Hopduvel 09-Jun-92 From Vaughn Fletcher I find the beer topic here is pompous. It's like people discussing some fine year in wine. What ever is on sale for $4.29 a twelve pack (CVR extra) gets me just as drunk as your $12.00 a six-pack imports. I used to go to that joint near Fairview and Hollister (I forget the name (I must have pissed those brain cells away)) and got one of those "I drank beer around the world at XXXXX" (Gee I wish I could remember the name) T-shirts. The only good imports were Giraffe and a Dutch thing that had a ceramic cap on it (Damn! More dead cells!) I would still have those brain cells if it weren't for drinking all that what's it called at what's his name's place. 09-Jun-92 From Johnston Kinds Well, Vaughn, we don't approach beer as a way to get drunk. If you just want to get drunk, why don't you buy some cheap whiskey or something? That works a lot faster. Our discussions of beer emphasize the craft of brewing and the aesthetics of appreciating it. We approach beer as a complex and interesting sense experience. If you don't like that approach, you're welcome to talk all you like about how you get drunk and piss away your mind. I'm much more interested in the comparative virtues of different kinds of stouts, however. 11-Jun-92 From Johnston Kinds I accidentally bought a six pack with 3 Doppel Darks and 3 Selects in it. I find the Select really weak, and not very interesting. There's one beer at Trader Joe's that's somehow brewed with orange, or orange blossom (or at least that's used in the name). Have you tried that, Brasserie? What do you know about it? 11-Jun-92 From Brasserie d'Orval Vaughn, you're wrong on all counts. First, alcohol content varies tremendously among beer-styles. Several imports (and domestics, for that matter) are over twice as strong as Budweiser. Belgium's St. Sixtus (a Trappist Ale), for example, has an original gravity of 1120; the alcohol content is over 10% by volume. Germany's Kulminator 28, an Eisbock (the beer is frozen, and the ice removed), has 13.5 percent alcohol by volume. Switzerland's Samichlaus, whose maturation lasts a year, has up to 14% alcohol by volume. Obviously, you'd get much more drunk on a six-pack of one of these than you would with any cheap mass-market product. The bar you're thinking of is Spike's Place; the products you describe as their "best" are Giraffe and Grolsch, two completely undistinguished lagers. Obviously, you haven't tried too many brews. Beer is a much more complex subject than you imagine; it deserves to be discussed. Renrat, I can't answer your question on brewpubs; there are too many variables involved. I could list some books on brewing, but I don't know much about the brewpub business. Have you ever made a beer? Colin, I haven't tried the local brewpub. I was interested in it initially, then I heard it was concentrating on pilsner, so I avoided it. However, I walked by a while ago, and noticed that people were drinking what could have been either porter or stout. The place might be worth trying. Johnston, I think you're talking about Oranjeboom. There's no orange in the beer (although that might be interesting); it's just another boring pseudo-pilsner, although it was once fairly strong. It's unfortunate that all the imports from the Netherlands seem to be in this style, because the country's full of interesting brewpubs and micros. For example, there's a brewery located on a remote Amsterdam Pier (the former location of a public bathhouse) that grinds its malt by windmill-power. Its brews -- all of which, interestingly, resemble Trappist ale -- have names like "Wet," "Drunk," and "Ostrich"; they're supposedly very tasty. 12-Jun-92 From Renrat Brasserie, The books would be most helpful and YES I am serious about the matter of opening a pub and brewing good beer. As for my personal experience, no. I have not been involved in actual brewing since a rather short period while I was still home with Dad. We do have some very fine brewers here locally who have been involved for quite some time and are anxious/willing to help with that aspect of the operation. As for "working" breweries, the closest is in Etna, some 30 miles to the NW. They appear to be making a living and are marketing the product in Or and No. CA ... 12-Jun-92 From The Newstyle Brass, you're really into beer..... 12-Jun-92 From Brasserie d'Orval Of course I'm into beer. That's why I'm leaving Santa Barbara in a few days. I'm going to intensively sample the numerous brewpubs and micros that have emerged on the East coast. I'll visit Boston's Samuel Adams, where they brew their Stock Ale (the lagers are actually produced in Pittsburgh and Oregon), and the nearby Doyle's pub, which serves local brews and some good imports. Also in Boston is the Commonwealth brewpub, with golden, amber, and bitter ales (the latter by far the best), and porter, stout, and a winey Special Old Ale. This brewpub unfortunately filters its lighter ales, which is completely unjustifiable as far as I'm concerned. Nonetheless, Commonwealth's darker products, especially the stout, are very worthwhile. They've also got good food. Another important Boston beer institution is the Wursthaus restaurant in Harvard Square, which serves German food and a huge assortment of beers (their Belgian selection is particularly strong). Boston has two other new brewpubs, which I'm going to try, and Mass Bay brewing, whose light-but-hoppy Harpoon Ale has won some awards recently in New England beer-competitions. I'll also visit the Geary's brewery, located in the weird city of Portland, Maine. This micro produces an excellent pale ale; its bottle is distinguished by a detailed illustration of a lobster. The brewmaster, David Geary, is known for disparaging brewers (Anchor, Harpoon, etc.) who add spices to their Winter ales. Geary's seasonal Hampshire Special Ale (o.g.:1070) is an amazing brew indeed. Another noted New England micro is Catamount, in Vermont. They produce good gold and amber ales, but by far their best regular product is their porter. This brew is darker and more chocolatey than Sierra Nevada's example; some experienced beer-drinkers think it's better. Catamount also has special Summer ales, but these are usually too light for my taste. 12-Jun-92 From Skull Fracture Yes, but *why* are you so into beer? Is there nothing else in your life? 12-Jun-92 From Brasserie d'Orval It doesn't follow that because I'm interested and knowledgeable about beer that there's nothing else in my life. I have a lot of interests; this is the one I happen to be talking about here. There are subjects where my interest and knowledge are greater than my interest and knowledge in beer. In any case, I like drinking, reading about, and studying beer. My interest in it stems from my enjoyment of it; I act on my interest by learning as much as I can. So it's not surprising that someone as ignorant as you (in all the hundreds of malodorous, moronic messages you've scattered across this BBS like jackrabbit turds, I've discerned maybe 2 distinct thoughts) would be threatened. 12-Jun-92 From Vaughn Fletcher I'll still take my $4.29 a 12-pack. It washes down my cheese and crackers just fine, and I don't cry if I spill any. 24-Jul-92 From Johnston Kinds I was doing some research today and I came across a book on hop production. The book discussed hop extracts as substitutes in brewing for real hop cones. Experiments done in Checkoslovak breweries led the author to believe only about 20% of the natural hops can be replaced with extracts before the flavor of the brew becomes seriously altered. The implicit contention, in my view, was that breweries that don't use actual hop cones are cheap; they're sacrificing flavor for convenience. The book was written last year. It was a good text; it gave a very detailed chemical analysis of hops -- which I didn't bother with -- but also discussed methods of growing hops. 24-Jul-92 From Johnston Kinds Oh, I also discovered that hops contains tiny amounts of morphine. I've known for a while that hops tea is used as a relaxant, but never knew that. 28-Jul-92 From The Newstyle Brasserie, I think 'Natural Pilsner' is the best beer in existence. :) 03-Aug-92 From Johnston Kinds I tried Samuel Smith's Imperial Stout and Anchor Steam's Liberty Ale tonight. I wasn't as fond of Imperial Stout as I was of Taddy Porter, which I just loved. I was surprised by Liberty Ale, though; I think it's a delightful brew. I don't like it as much as Grants or Sierra Nevada, but I had heard somewhat negative things about Anchor Steam and was expecting something worse. Continuing my search for the ultimate porter, I picked up a bottle of Anchor Porter as well. You know, there's something about the taste of Anchor Steam ale that reminds me of the smell of the ocean. 03-Aug-92 From Brasserie d'Orval Anchor's products are controversial with me. A lot of people insist that "Anchor Steam is the best"; in most cases, I think, these individuals haven't kept up with the advances made by microbreweries in the past decade. Anchor's brews are definitely real (they don't use extracts, etc.), but I don't regard their various products as stylistic models. Their principal product, Anchor Steam beer, is unique in the sense that it's an ale-lager hybrid. Fritz Maytag, who runs Anchor, says the aim is to combine the cleanness of a German lager with the assertiveness of a good British ale. Anchor Steam is very pleasant, in my opinion, but not unusual enough -- despite the process by which it's produced -- to drink regularly. I loved Liberty Ale's unusual, hoppy aroma when I first tried it. The problem is that that intense hoppiness is all the brew has; it gets boring after a while. (Sierra Nevada's Pale Ale, for example, is more complex and drinkable thanks to it's maltiness and bottle-conditioning.) Anchor Porter is another beer I'm ambivalent towards. It has to be served at room temperature, in my opinion. It's got plenty of flavor (including licorice undertones), and, like the label says, it's rich, with a creamy texture. But the brew -- which is actually bottom-fermented -- just doesn't taste like porter to me. My favorite Anchor product is their seasonal Holiday Ale. Each year, its label depicts a different tree. The recipe also varies slightly, but the ale invariably incorporates dark-roasted malts, a slightly higher-than average original gravity, and spices, such as nutmeg (a trend started in the U.S. with Grant's Mulled Ale). Anchor's also produced several interesting sounding brews which I haven't been able to find; these include Old Foghorn (a barley-wine), Ninkasi (a beer made from bread), and a Spruce Beer (which generated a lot of excitement at the latest Great American Beer Festival). 03-Aug-92 From Johnston Kinds I tried a bottle of Grant's Scottish ale tonight. It's luscious! It has pretty strong hops, by my taste, but an interesting, mild sweetness in the background. I think I enjoy this even more than Grants' pale ale. Speaking of pale ale, I picked up a bottle of Samuel Smith's pale ale as well, and plan to have it sometime later tonight. How would you rate that, Brasserie, in comparison with Sierra Nevadas and Grants' pale ales? 03-Aug-92 From Brasserie d'Orval All of Samuel Smith's products are first-rate, and their Old Brewery Pale Ale (known in its domestic market in cask-conditioned form as Museum Ale) is one of my favorites. Being an English ale, it's obviously very different from Sierra Nevada's and Grant's products, both of which rely on Washington-grown Cascade hops. Even among English ales, Samuel Smith's products are unique in that they ferment in stone vessels; this results in very smooth-textured beer. (This creaminess is also evident in the products of England's Theakston brewery, another proponent of the so-called Yorkshire brewing-system.) In the winter, Samuel Smith comes out with an ale called "Winter Welcome." Along with their Imperial Stout, this is my favorite Samuel Smith product; it's like a richer version of their Pale Ale. 10-Aug-92 From bloodline I bought a bottle of Eye of the Hawk ale last night. It was fairly strong, fairly hoppy, over-priced, but overall, pretty good. 20-Aug-92 From The Evil Metronome I've been drinking American coffee this week, and it became apparent to me that these beans are coffee's equivalent of conventional-gravitied lagers: pilsners, Dortmunders, and so forth. Like these beers, the coffees of Costa Rica and Columbia are light-bodied, balanced, and mild -- the sort of thing anyone could drink. Pale malts and relatively high hop rates make pilsners "clean-tasting" and brisk, just like the acidic coffees of the Americas. The best of these, in my opinion, are the relatively complex Estate-grown Guatemalan coffees. A fairly dark roast brings out subtle smoky, chocolatey undertones in this coffee, making it comparable to smooth, dark lagers such as Kulmbacher Monschoff's Kloster-Schwarz-Bier, or Spaten's Dunkel Export. 21-Aug-92 From bloodline Spaten's Dunkel Export. That sounds really silly. Spaten Dunkel. Brasserie, does Samuel Adams have a seasonal stout? Someone on Internet mentioned something like that. 21-Aug-92 From The Evil Metronome You shouldn't laugh. Spaten is one of the most influential breweries in the world, in terms of brewing methods and beer styles. Several of their products, including their Dunkel and Marzen/Oktoberfest, are considered the definitive examples of their styles. Spaten also brews pilsners, wheat beers, a pale bock called Franziskus, and -- my favorite -- a dark double bock called Doppelspaten (spaten translates to "spade," the brewery's logo). However, bock beers -- along with barley wines and imperial stouts -- aren't appropriate for regular consumption in warm weather. Like Indonesian coffees, their richness, earthiness, and full-bodiedness make them most enjoyable in the fall and, especially, winter. I'm not aware of a stout produced by Samuel Adams, but living on the west coast, I wouldn't necessarily expect to be. I'd be very interested in obtaining the brew, if/when it exists. Samuel Adams' other top-fermenting product, their Boston Stock Ale, is definitely a good brew. 21-Aug-92 From bloodline Someone else more or less confirmed it; Samuel Adams apparently has a product called Cream Stout, which is evidently available (one person wrote) on draught in a Pennsylvania pub. I'm anxious to try Duvel. I think I'll go get some tonight. 23-Aug-92 From The Evil Metronome Cream stout, what an odd choice. Then again, there are already a fairly large number of dry stouts being made; and milk stouts have, I think, the potential to get trendy. On the other hand, the brew might stay available exclusively at the brewpub (are you sure it's not in Philadelphia?), as has been the case with a Samuel Adams porter. 30-Aug-92 From The Evil Metronome I recently came into possession of a small quantity of Ethiopian Harrar, a very rare coffee. When I added water to the beans (ground seconds earlier, of course), they gave off a striking, pungent, cinnamon aroma. The coffee is medium-bodied, with some acidity, and a strong, complex flavor. There's no question that high-grade African and Arabian beans are coffee's equivalent to Belgian Ale. 30-Aug-92 From colin campbell The harrar! The harrar! 31-Aug-92 From bloodline What did that mean? I drank a bottle of Young's winter ale again last night, and enjoyed it quite a bit. I had over-dramatized its quality in my memory, but it was still good. I heard a commercial for Samuel Adams on the radio again today. That Koch guy is annoying me. He's too boastful; he brags that Samuel Adams is the _only_ American beer imported to Germany (which I doubt) and declares that his beer wins Best American Beer contests left and right. Blah. On a list of American beer companies I'd probably put SA forth or fifth, below Grants, Sierra Nevada, and maybe Anchor Steam and Mendocino. 31-Aug-92 From David the Grey I've been rather experimenting with different beers lately, just for the fun of it. I bought a 6-pack of Killian's IrishRed last week which I found very tasty. Interesting color too. I was expecting more of a dark-beer taste, but it was fairly mild. 31-Aug-92 From The Evil Metronome I prefer Sierra Nevada and Grant's products (not to mention numerous British and Belgian breweries) to Samuel Adams also, mainly because I tend to prefer styles of ale to styles of lager. If had to subsist on only 10 beers for the rest of my life, 2 or 3 would be lagers. Still, Samuel Adams products are high-quality, and they include some interesting styles. If it's true that Samuel Adams' beers are the only U.S. ones imported into Germany, it's because 1) they adhere to the Reinheitsgebot (which doesn't set them apart from many micro-products); and 2) they tend to follow classic German styles, such as Pilsner, Marzen/Oktoberfest, Doppelbock, etc. Most of the good U.S. microbreweries emulate British ale, and the Germans are notoriously conservative when it comes to what they consider beer. (Some German beer styles, such as Rauchbier, Eisbock, and Berlinner Weisse are nonetheless very unique in terms of how they taste and how they're made.) Samuel Adams' Oktoberfest should be out in mid- to late-September, and if it's anything like it was last year, I recommend it. (It might even be one of the 2 or 3 lagers on my list.) It was darker than most German Oktoberfests, in fact reddish in color, sweet-but-hoppy, fragrant and complex. 31-Aug-92 From bloodline Speaking of Weis, I found Grant's Weis Beer and Yakima Cider at Fairview liquor tonight, and tried bottles of both. Weis beer is hilarious; it's almost just like his Pale Ale, only toned down. Unlike Sierra Nevada's wheat beer, it seems to have -- no surprise, knowing Grant's products -- fairly prominent hops in it. I wasn't expecting much from the yakima cider, since the idea of cider isn't exactly a turn-on for me, but I did enjoy it somewhat; it has a strong taste but if I didn't know better I might say its from wine grapes, not apples. Anyway, the color of the cider is light, golden yellow; the weis beer is bit orangy. Grant's little labels on the beers are so funny I wanted to type them up here. Here's what he wrote for his Yakima cider: "Are all apples the same? No. There are bad apples and good ones. Adam's apple must have been a bad one, for instance. Positively sinful. Yet the apple that Sir Isaac Newton considered a matter of such gravity must certainly have been a good one. I make Yakima Cider with only good apples. Real Washington apples. Brewed right, with pure water from the Cascade Mountains and premium yeast from my native Britain. And nothing else. So give my cider a try. And see how you like _them_ apples!" The writing for Weis Beer is even better: "Weis beer, wheat beer, White Beer; whatever you call it, I think you'll find this to be one of the most refreshing brews you've ever had. But serve it _cold_. Glacial, in fact. So cold that the glass shivers. And try it with a twist of lemon or a touch of fruit juice. I even mix the whole concoction with ice on those hot Yakima summer days when the thermometer threatens to burst. Then sit back, sip your Weis Beer, and do absolutely nothing. _Nothing_. So stop reading. Enjoy." 31-Aug-92 From Luminary Coremaster Exchuse me, mam'...Could ya spare a dollar so a poor man can get a *hic* cup of coffee. 01-Sep-92 From Busman I find that unless you try your finer beers out of the tap, that they lose a lot in the transition. I absolutely LOVE McEwan's Ale on tap, so figgered I get a sixer and have the taste in the comfort of my own home, when I tried it was like cough syrup, it was terrible. I can only imagine what the beers that taste good out of the bottle taste like on tap. I find that Samuel Adams Lager to be quite good, I enjoy darker beers on the whole, which is why I cant stand american beers they are all piss water as far as I am concerned. Miller, bud, and coors, that is. About Sams commercials, however, he manages to whine throughout his entire boasting speil as well, it is quite trying. 01-Sep-92 From bloodline Where do you get McEwan's on tap? I tried a bottle of their scotch (or was it scottish?) ale a few nights ago and was pretty happy with it (but then, I wasn't comparing it to anything on tap). What are some other beers you like, Busman? 01-Sep-92 From The Evil Metronome Yeah, Bert Grant's comments are great. I like his labels, with their dramatic symbols that suggest the style's place of origin. Of all his products, the Weiss Beer is the one that has least in common with its ancestors. German Weisses are much more tart, even sour. I wonder why they don't call it a Weizenbier; it much more closely fits this South German style. McEwan's Scotch ale is a little too sweet for me to consume regularly. I really like some aggressively malty beers, like Celebrator Doppelbock, because there's enough hoppiness to give the beer complexity. With McEwan's (they also make a bland pale ale), the sweetness is almost sugary. McAndrews has a Scotch ale which is much better, an interesting, pale version of the style called Caledonian. Oh, and even better still, if you can find (and afford) it, is Traquair House Ale. It's a dark, very interesting Scotch ale, fermented in uncoated wooden vessels. 01-Sep-92 From Busman Unfortunately the place I used to get all my good beers on tap is in San Marcos, down near Escondido, my home when I wasn't up here at school, I used to go home every summer just to enjoy The Camelot. I hear that there is a good English Pub in Ventura, i haven't been yet, but I plan to go before School starts up again (for the last time yeah!). I also enjoy Watney's. Guiness is good, I haven't tried it in bottles yet, i an a little gun shy. One also cant find a good Barn o' da Gods (Liquor Barn) around here either, or am I just ignant? I've tried many of the beers round the world at spikes, I find red tail ale to be good, even outta the bottle. I am hoping to be on a dart team coming up here in a bout two weeks, soon I should be an encyclopedia on good bars to go get good beer on tap, we shall see. ----- Nausea Pistol by Colin Campbell Sylvia Parker was trying to lose weight. She was five foot three and she weighed 91 pounds and she felt tubby. If she were just a bit thinner, she thought, she would have the sharp definition in her cheeks that would make her look like a high-fashion model. Sylvia worked as a receptionist at MedSearch, a medical technology company in Detroit. Every day she rose at 6am and jogged three grim miles before work. At lunchtime each day she met her friend Melinda at their usual nearby restaurant; she ordered a tuna and lettuce sandwich, and a half a peach with cottage cheese, and gave half the sandwich to Melinda. When she returned to the office, she went to the ladies' room and stuck a finger down her throat and threw up her lunch. She repaired her hair and makeup and brushed away a fleck of tuna that had splashed onto her clothes. Darn, it was her best silk blouse. She hated sticking her finger down her throat but it was the only way she knew. Really, this was the 20th century and weren't we supposed to be more advanced? Sylvia returned to her desk and began opening today's mail, which had arrived during lunch. Her job was to open every envelope and stamp the contents RECEIVED with the date, and then sort the mail for the various people and departments in the company. Usually she didn't pay any attention to the stuff. it was nothing but stuffy letters from doctors or pleading ads or threatening bills. But today she noticed an ad for a new product, maybe because of the upsetting tuna spot on her blouse. It was some new kind of vomiting inducer. The flyer was crudely printed and hard to understand but Sylvia read it, at least the part that was a cartoon showing how to use the thing. If little Johnny swallows poison, just put the black box to his temple and push the ON button and a pulse of laser energy would harmlessly flood his brain and activate the vomiting reflex, purging the child of noxious material. The rest of the ad was in doctor's talk. The device was a palmsized gadget that generated a long-wave laser beam that penetrated to the nausea center of the brain and turned it on. The flyer claimed it was safer than standard emetics, and faster. The price was only $139.95. Sylvia dabbed again at her blouse and decided to give it a try. Maybe it would be easier than her finger-in-the-throat technique. She filled in the order blank in the company's name and typed a letter authorizing the purchase and addressed an envelope which went out in that evenings' mail without anyone at MedSearch noticing. One day six weeks later, Sylvia cleaned up after lunch and returned to her desk just as the mailman arrived. He handed her a sheaf of envelopes and a camera-sized package from VMX, Inc. She sat down and processed the mail as usual and when nobody seemed to be watching she slipped the package into her purse. She was nervous the rest of the day, convinced everybody in the office was staring at her. After work she was going to show it to Melinda but the first thing Melinda said was "God, I met these two rich hunks," and it was Friday, and Sylvia had a new dress to wear, and during an evening of frenzied partying the puke inducer never entered her thoughts. It wasn't until the next day when she came back from her morning run that she thought of it, because she was hungry. Mom and Bill weren't home and Budsy was away at camp for two weeks, thank god. Sylvia was hungry--she hadn't eaten anything during last night's frolic, of course, an nothing to drink except one glass of champagne she nursed all night. With everyone away from the house today she could gorge herself, and use the puker a couple of times. Yeah, it would be fun. She watched Saturday morning cartoons and ate potato chips with onion dip and Twinkies and a Pepsi and then she went to the bathroom and followed the instructions on the vomit inducer. It was a flat, oval device of hard black plastic with a circle of red glass in the center on one side and an activation swich on the other side. Next to the switch was a note: PRESS BUTTON TO INDUCE VOMITING. She pressed the switch experimentally a couple times while pointing the thing away from herself. It clicked, pockity pock. She touched her temple with the glass circle and pressed the clicker. For a moment all she noticed was a humming in her head and a slight sensation of warmth. Then, abruptly, she was nauseated beyond her experiece, a gush of saliva in her mouth, a sudden beading of sweat on her face, then explosive, convulsive retching for fifteen minutes. By the time the waves of acute seasickness left her, she was a slobbering and groveling mess, soaked in sweat and spit and bile. She had a massive headache. By noon, though, she was good as new. She picked up the device and threw it in a drawer--what a dumb thing, she thought. She knew she'd never use it again. Maybe she should just take it back to work and pretend she didn't know anything about it. But by Monday she'd forgotten all about it. Every few weeks after that there would be another bill from VMX, but Sylvia just tossed them into the wastebasket. One time a mournful guy from VMX phoned, and Sylvia told him "I'm sorry, Mister Vole, but everybody is in a meeting." She wrote down the message and the VMX man complained, "The damned things just aren't selling, and the ones we do sell, they ship them right back for a refund." Sylvia didn't give it another thought until the Christmas holidays. Mom was in one of her "streamlining" moods, and she invaded Sylvia's room and dumped all of Sylvia's drawers onto the bed and told her to throw away half of it. "This house is filling up with useless shit!" The black oval of the vomit device was among the discards Sylvia tossed in the good-bye box. She tossed it with extra vehemence, and that's when Budsy saw it. "What's this, sis?" "You get away from my stuff." "You're throwin it away, what is it?" "You get out of my stuff, you little sneak." Budsy tried to carry it away down the hall, but Sylvia leaped and grappled with him. Budsy was only 13 but he was prettystrong. Then Sylvia wrested it from his hands. "I'll show you what it is." She pressed it to his head and pushed the button, and Budsy collapsed and began retching. He'd just had two hamburgers and they went all over Sylvia's new rug. "Mother!" she wailed. Mother was vexed at the mess. "Why didn't you go into the bathroom?" "I couldn't, Ma, Sylvia hit me in the head with something and I puked." He started crying again. "Well clean this up before I hit you myself. And let's get going -- carry this stuff out to the car. I'm taking everything to the rummage sale. Come on, carry it now." Budsy carried the box downstairs and put it in the car. Along the way he pocketed the vomit inducer. II. Budsy Parker kept the thing hidden in his room for a week before examining it, waiting for any household memory of the event to fade. Then on Saturday everybody was away. He had the house to himself. He took the device out of his secret drawer and looked at it. It was only about as big as tape cassette. PRESS BUTTON TO INDUCE VOMITING, it read on one side. He went downstairs and opened the door to the back yard and called: "Here, Freckles! Here, girl! Come in!" The dog didn't come in, even though it was cold and snowy outside; she knew Budsy too well. Budsy took a slice of lunchmeat out of the refrigerator and offered it. The dog came inside, hesitantly, and Budsy grabbed her and tried to put the device against the dog's head. The dog struggled and whipped her head around, but Budsy managed to subdue her and click the button. Nothing happened. The dog struggled away and dashed back out through the still-open door. Okay, he thought. It doesn't work on dogs. He put on his parka and went outside and walked through snowdrifts until he saw the Clifford kids, Patty and Billy, making a snowman. Patty was in the fourth grade and she was giving instructions to younger Billy. They didn't notice Budsy approaching--they were looking the other way. Budsy came up behind Billy and put the puker to Billy's head and pushed the clicker, and Billy fell puking to the ground. Patty turned around and said "Oh, no, Billy's sick" and crouched down beside him. Budsy touched her on the head and she too exploded with vomit. On Monday, Budsy carried the device to school in his left mitten. There was a hole the size of a dime in the palm of the mitten, and the glass center of the Puker gleamed in the hole. Budsy had been thinking about Lurk Bronoso... He got to school twenty minutes early, as usual, and met the guys at the corner of Catalpa and Randolph, a block away from Kennedy Junior High. "One of you guys got a smoke?" he said. A tall kid handed him a Camel filter. "Bronoso is coming with some new 'mones." A kid with a shaved skull said, "Maybe you better get out of here, Budsy, Bronoso is radically pissed at you." "For what?" "You've gotta start paying up or Bronoso is going to quit selling to any of us." "Aw, so what, there's lots of guys with better 'mones than that dickface." Budsy looked at his pals and grinned, but his friends all stared behind him. Budsy turned and saw Lurk Bronoso. Lurk Bronoso was twelve years old and six feet four inches tall. He sold synthetic hormones and artificial DNA clusters, just to friends of course. He grabbed Budsy by the throat and Vadered him to his knees. "You owe me money, punk." "I got it, I got it for you!" Bronoso pushed him away and Budsy fell into a snowdrift and banged his head against an old crust of snow. He stood up and slowly handed fifty dollars to Bronoso. "Here." "Okay now," said Bronoso, looking at the other guys. "I got some new growy 'mones my brother made, he says they're the best yet. And some more of that horny 'mone I had last week." "Gimme a growy, Lurk," said the tall kid. "I'm almost to six feet." "Hell, yes, give me another hit of that horny 'mone," said the shaveskull. "Sure, here ya are. How about you, Budsy? Oh, that's right, you're prepubic, aren't you." The guys laughed. "Yeah," said Bronoso. "You got to keep up with your puby 'mones if you want to put some hair on your balls." "Well give me some, I'm not saying I don't want it." Budsy's face burned with embarrassment. "Your credit's no good, that's all. Cash it up." "Come on, Lurk, I gave you my cash, give me a hit, okay? I get allowance next week." "Nope." Bronoso walked toward the school. Budsy hefted his right mitten and felt the puker inside, felt the control button under his index finger. "Well you're a shitfaced frelker," he shouted. Bronoso stopped and turned and charged back toward the corner, and Budsy and everybody else scattered for their lives. It was time to go into class anyway. During class one of Budsy's friends whispered, "What are you doing getting Bronoso on our back, you dope?" The fight broke out at lunch. Budsy and his pals were at their usual corner in the cafeteria and Lurk showed up and said, "Parker, you're going to find out the pain of messing with the Bronto." He strode toward Budsy with his fist already swinging. Ordinarily Budsy would have been cringing away, but this time he had the Puker in his hand. He leaped toward Lurk and managed to slap him on the side of the head and fingered the ON button at the moment of the slap, and the momentum of Lurk's swing sent him flying as he abruptly puked and puked and lay groveling on the ground. Budsy kicked Lurk in the ribs and the nuts. "Now keep your goddam ass out of our turf," he said. "Right, guys?" He looked around at his pals, but they were gone. After lunch Budsy had Advanced Pre-Remedial Mathematics and when that was over he went to his locker, except there were two big guys hanging around his locker, two l4-year-olds who must have been on 'mones a couple of years, because they were well over six feet tall. Budsy thought to run away--but then he noticed they were looking in the other direction. He came up behind them and took a deep breath and then clopped one on the head, and then the other before he noticed anything, and they both collapsed puking on the floor. A big crowd gathered to watch the hulkers blow their lunch. Everything would have been okay then if Budsy had stopped now. But by this time the whole school was paying attention to him, he couldn't use the puker in secrecy again. In the last period of the day Budsy and Bronoso had a world history class together and Bronoso attacked him again, right in front of everybody, and Budsy used the Puker on him again. The room was silent except for Bronoso's agonized dry heaves. Kids suddenly started leaving the room and then it was a flood, and the teacher, Mr. Hawkings, was grabbing Budsy by the shoulder and Budsy puked him and broke away. A sarcastic mutant in a wheelchair rolled away into the doorway, and he was a guy who had been pissing Budsy off for a long time, and he puked him and pulled the wheelchair out of the way and dashed into the hall... III. Rudy Jackson turned on the TV. "This is News 4 L.A." "I don't want to watch no news," said his girlfriend Donna. "Let's watch Three's Company." "Look, I'm going to work, I got to keep up with the news, I got to, I have a position of responsibility." "Big deal, you're Rudy 'Security Guard' Jackson. At least let me have a toot before you go." "Shush you." He lit a joint and watched the news. "A handicapped child is dead today, and a junior high school in Berkley, Michigan was held hostage by an eleven-year-old who used an advanced medical treatment device to inflict terrifying nausea on his teachers and classmates. A wheelchair-confined student choked to death on his own vomit during the post-lunch attack." "What the hell? Rudy, what's he saying?" "The kid got hold of some kind of doctor tool and hacked the kids in his school with it." "Geez! Hey, honey, please, let me have some before you go, okay?" "Well... I've got to get dressed..." He turned up the volume of the TV and went into the bedroom. He took off his clothes and put on his security guard uniform. and unlocked the box. He took out a .357 magnum revolver and tucked it in his waistband, and put five bullets into and a folded paper of coke in his shirt pocket. When he got back to the TV they were just finishing the segment about the school. "Spokesperson Elmer Vole of VMX, Incorporated, the Anaheim, California manufacturer of the device young Parker used, declined responsibility." The scene shifted to a sweating Elmer Vole with six hostile microphones in his face. He stood in front of his factory. VMX. Rudy said, "Hey, that's one of the companies at the industrial complex where I've been working." "Wow," said the girl. "Come on, chop us out a couple lines." "Here, you do it, give us both one for me to go to work on. That company, VMX, that made the doctor tool that kid used -- they have a lot of stuff in storage under bond." "Gosh, Rudy -- and it's on national TV and everything." She expertly used the razor blade to form the chopped coke into four exactly equal lines and they snorted them during the commercials. When he got to work Rudy put his time card into the clock and punched in. He yakked for a few minutes with the other guard who was going off duty. Hey, did you hear about that VMX stuff?" The other guard hadn't. Rudy walked through the complex, making his first rounds. Sometimes there were people working late, but not tonight. He stopped at the VMX shop and stared curiously into the window. The office held only a metal desk and a tipped-over swivel chair and a file cabinet. The inner door into the factory from the office was ajar. On the desk was a small flat object... it looked like the thing the kid had on TV. Rudy looked at the door to the building and suddenly noticed the seal was broken. Somebody had been into the building. Rudy tried the door and it opened. He went in and picked up the device off the desk, then put it back down. The door to the factory room was open. Rudy looked in and saw cases and cases of the devices, stacked into boxes with their tops open, ready to be filled with styrofoam peanuts and sealed and shipped. And then Rudy saw a body on the floor, and it looked like Mr. Vole. The body still held a pistol in its hand. He called the cops, then called Mr. Klippen, the boss of the rent-a-cop outfit. "Hi Mr. Klippen, I got bad news, looks like this Mr.Vole of VMX killed himself inside his warehouse. I already called the cops." "What! Inside the warehouse? You mean you let him break the seal and go in? That VMX building was under bond, and now I'll have to pay it off. Goddammit, Rudy, you're fired." Rudy was astonished. "But Mr. Klippen, it was that way when I came on shift, what about Oliver? It happened while he was on." "He's fired too, don't worry." Klippen hung up in Rudy's ear. Rudy fumed. He walked around the factory while waiting for the police. He picked up one of the devices and slipped it into his pocket as a souvenir. He wondered how much the devices were worth. He was out of job now. He picked up a case of the devices and took it to his car and put it in his trunk. Cops arrived and questioned Rudy and took pictures and then left. Mr. Klippen arrived and shooed Rudy out and Rudy headed home on the northbound San Diego Freeway. Traffic was heavy and nobody would let Rudy get over to the right to make his turnoff onto the Pasadena Freeway and then at the last second there was an opening and he headed for it, but a guy in a battered Toyota pickup (the lettering on the tailgate had been peeled off so it now read "YO") dodged in front of him and cut him off, laughed, and gave him the finger. Rudy had to go another ten miles to get off the freeway and get back on the right road. He fumed about it all the way home. He wished he had some way to punish the guy. He thought about the puker, how the kid in Michigan used it. Wouldn't it be nice to have something with which you could punish bad drivers like that? Sometimes you can understand why people in LA pull guns on the freeway. If you could gun down people, but just make them temporarily sick... Rudy was out of work for six weeks and he'd been turned down for unemployment. The rent was due. He had twenty six of the vomiting inducers stashed in his box, but he didn't know who to sell them to. PUSH BUTTON TO INDUCE VOMITING. He looked at them as he took his pistol out. He rattled the handful of bullets, put one in the gun. "I'm going out, honey," he said. The sullen girl watched TV and didn't answer. There wasn't any gas in the car. He didn't want to do anything in his own neighborhood... but then he didn't want to be trapped on foot far from home, either. "Maybe I could just get some gas money," he said to himself. There was a park across the street from the 50/50 Tavern, and Rudy sat on a park bench next to a tree. Finally somebody left the bar and walked into the park. At first Rudy thought the guy was a giant, but as he came closer Rudy saw he was about his own size, maybe a bit smaller. He wiped his hands on his pants and pulled the pistol and stood up in the path. "Hold it, mister. I need some gas money." He meant it to be menacing but instead his voice squeaked. "What is this?" the guy said. He didn't stop walking. "I've got a gun," said Rudy. "You what?!" The guy suddenly ran right at Rudy and knocked at his hand and the gun went flying. "Now what're you going to do, you bastard?" His breath was mostly tequila fumes. "I'm, uh, sorry, I--" The guy punched Rudy and Rudy fell down. "Now I'm gonna kill ya," the guy said with satisfaction. Rudy struggled to his feet and ran away before the guy could do anything else. "Now what am I going to do?" Rudy said to Donna. "I don't even have my gun any more, how'm I going to get another security job? Can't even pawn it." "You already pawned it, don't give me no stories." Rudy thought about using the puker. How close did you actually have to be? Rudy went to the bus station when there was a big crowd of people around. He held the puker head-high and pointed the clear circle toward the crowd and held down the button. Suddenly a person in the crowd burst out in vomit. Rudy felt guilty all the way home. He looked at the pukers in his box. Twenty eight of them. He took one apart and it was simple inside, just a couple of wires and chips on a circuit board, connected to the glass disk and a battery. Rudy tinkered with the parts and cobbled together a more useful and easily-aimed hand weapon, using the body of a TV remote control with the glass disk on the aiming end and the clicker/off switch convenient for the thumb. As weeks went by Rudy perfected his techniques. He discovered that the glass disk of the Puker didn't have to be actually in contact with the victim's head. He aimed it at the head of a woman sitting on a bench at the far end of the bus station -- nobody else was around -- and pushed the button, expecting that if anything happened it would be a diminished effect, a wave of nausea without vomiting, perhaps. Rudy discovered that the Puker had the same effect no matter how far away from the head you held it. The Puker sent a pencil-thin beam of energy straight out from the glass disk. Rudy found that he could stand in a doorway and point the disk toward a pedestrian and, if he aimed right, induce a frenzied display of wet gagging from thirty feet away. The limit seemed to be about 50 feet--further away than that, and there was no reaction. And you had to aim pretty carefully and be sure the laser light hit the person's head. It was a yes/no effect -- it never made the victim a little bit sick, it was either full-tilt puking or no effect at all. Rudy was able to puke people and grab their wallets without any danger, and he and Donna were getting along a lot better. He made a puker for Donna, but she wasn't into mugging people. Then one day she was leaving her waitress job at midnight and some gang kids were there. "That's a cool coat you got, why don't you let me have it?" said the tall one and the other two nodded. They pulled her toward the alley and said, "We want your ass, too." But Donna pulled out the puker and zapped the three guys and it worked like a charm. Suddenly the alley was no longer a prison, it was just a dark street where a guys were puking desperately on the ground. All you could hear was the puking. It sounded so good to Donna. She exhaled loudly and hiked away. "You got to make one of these for my sister," Donna told Rudy when she gets home. "You could sell these things for big money, you know. Every girl on my shift would want one." "Say," said Rudy thoughtfully, "they're having an auction of all the junk from the VMX building, and I saw the lists... nobody is going to bid on those things... I bet we could buy crates of the things for real cheap..." And thus did true democracy finally come to America. It was the perfect defensive weapon. ----- Tech Talk From: GARY ALBERS To: BOB BLAYLOCK (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 53260 (OS/2) I enjoyed reading, and empathized with most of, your comments. As far as the 8080/8085 evolution is concerned, the two chips are very similar. I learned my computer hardware theory while studying for an EE inelectronics engineering, almost a decade ago. At the time, the 8080/8085 was the "prototype" CPU that we had to dissect -- thus, I just happened toknow a bit about them and their evolution into the 8088/86. Although it is true that the 8088/86 was evolved to maintain hardware compatibility with the 8085, the CP/M influence WAS very great, but in theOS arena. Thus, the first release of MS(PC)-DOS was VERY CP/M-like, especially in the area of file management (as opposed to other system services). DOS 1.0, we should remember, didn't implement hierarchical directories and through all DOS versions (even 5.0) you can still create/manipulate files by using File Control Blocks (FCBs), which were a direct port from CP/M. Of course the "recommended" method (and frankly better method) for file access has been to use file "handles." I have always felt that the Motorola 680x0 chips were technically better than the Intel line. And there is no question in my mind that a 32-bit OS,with all the "transparent" features you wisely mentioned, will be a MAJOR advance over ol' DOS -- and rightly so. Which one it will be -- OS/2, Unix, Windows NT -- will NOT be decided by rational discussions amongst technically literate people (e.g., you and me), but by marketing hype and clout. I again cite the contest between Beta and VHS video formats -- there are few technically knowledgeable people who will claim that the "better man won"! But such is life. Windows is OK -- not great, but OK -- and Windows NT will be better by a mile. Given MSoft's track record in thebusiness vs. IBM's, I have little trouble predicting that Windows NT will nbe the dominant OS on the desktop for the better part of this decade. Apple pioneered the commercial implementation of the GUI -- it was Steve Job's baby. Thus, we should not be surprised at the leading-edge features in the Next machine: it's truly remarkable. However, my enthusiasm for Apple in the early eighties was inspired by Jobs and the Woz! When the Woz left, my spirit became restless. When Jobs was "booted," I was more than suspicious! Then, as a certified developer for Apple, I watched their evolution from an inspired company into just another MBA-management controlled corporation. The Mac had its chance several years ago: if Sculley had dropped the price to be truly competitive against the PC, I honestly believe that the Mac might have become the dominant desktop platform. But,MBAs are seldom inspired enough to make those kinds of decisions. In fact, I suggest that a company's slugishness may be directly proportional to thenumber of MBAs they retain. I personally direct my attention and efforts toward those machines, OSs, applications, languages, that do, or are most likely to, dominate the market -- not those I might feel are "the better Man!" Atthe present moment, if asked to predict the "killer" machine two years from now, I would say: a desktop PC running Digital's Alpha CPU, Windows NT OS, with video I/O through a local bus to a dedicated TI graphics processor, and a high-speed 32-bit I/O buss, with on-board DSP capabilities. I think both Intel and Motorola are going to have to hop pretty high to keep up with the pace. From: BOB BLAYLOCK To: GARY ALBERS (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 53263 (OS/2) Compared to the actual IBM products, or to IBM-compatible machines made by companies of similar repute, Apple's Macintosh line has always been very well priced. It's only when you factor in the hoardes of low-end fly-by-night clones that the Macintoshes start to look expensive. From: GARY ALBERS To: BOB BLAYLOCK (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 53266 (OS/2) Well, Bob -- for some years now, the "masses" have been bypassing what you call "actual IBM products" and companies of "similar repute" (e.g., Compaq?). You seem to be implying that the Dells and Gateways of the world are "low-end, fly-by-night clones." The actual facts are roughly this: * Apple sales account for something like 15% of the total PC market, up from about 10% since they unleashed their "hordes" of cheap, disappointing models; * The IBM-compatible PC is a COMMODITY now; i.e., people no longer need the security of buying a NAME, which is what IBM, COMPAQ, DEC and HP have been trying to do, with declining success, for the last ten years; COMPAQ appears to have gotten the message; I don't think IBM ever will; * Despite the hype, a "clone" built by a reputable dealer will be a BETTER QUALITY, BETTER PERFORMING machine than ANYTHING you could get from IBM for almost TWICE the price. In advising clients, I don't just recommend that they buy a clone -- I strongly advise that they don't go with an true IBM brand machine unless they enjoy throwing money away and don't mind backing themselves into a proprietary corner! * Apple is still trying to sell a NAME. Unless they market their HIGH-END machines at a competitive price, and preferably license their ROM, OS and other enabling technology, to "clone" makers (in order to really saturate the market), I doubt they will ever significantly increase their present market share. * I can buy the following system for about $2500: a 33Mhz 486 with 8MB ram, 170 IDE HD, SVGA video, 2 FDs, mouse, 2 Ser.Ports, 1 Par. Ports, 1 game port... Name a MAC system with that capability for anything near thatprice! We're talking a machine that rivals an entry-level Quadra. When Apple starts letting Quadras go for $2500, they might gain ground. I am not arguing the relative merits of any particular computer, as I've said before. I AM talking about computing power/dollar and where the great majority of the world is. That's how I plan to make my living for years to come. From: BOB BLAYLOCK To: GARY ALBERS (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 53277 (OS/2) Whether the name itself really means anything or not, the simple fact is, that there are certain companies who, having developed a solid reputation, can charge more for their products. Even today, IBM and Compaq products command higher prices than products from GateWay or Dell, or any of the hoards of other similar companies. And it's not just because these companies are greedy, and out to screw the consumer; it's because in general, the consumers perceive these to be superior brands. Apple has this same kind of name-brand value too. Whether the quality of the product really lives up to the name's reputaion or not, it's a simple fact that the name does carry considerable value. So, when comparing Apple's prices to those of IBM-type machines, I think it's only fair to compare Apple's prices to those of similarly reputable IBM-compatible manufactures. After all, you wouldn't criticise a Mercedes Benz for being overpriced, simply because it happens to cost more than a Hyundai. And every time I have had occasion to compare, Apple's prices have been very competetive against thse brands of IBM-compatibles that come from manufacturers with similar levels of name-brand value. In fact, when I bought my Mac II back in 1987, the only other true 32-bit personal computers available were the Compaq DeskPro '386 and the IBM PS/2-80, bot of which cost considerably more than the Mac II. I recall observing that the IBM model which came in at about the same price as the Macintosh II was the PS/2-60, which was an 80286-based machine. At the time, the Macintosh II was also the only 32-bit personal computer thatyou could actually use as a 32-bit computer. From: HARVEY WHEELER To: GARY ALBERS (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 53277 (OS/2) Both Gallant and ABI have offered me a 386 40mhz with VGA, 170mg HD, two floppies, regular ports, 2400 baud modem & mouse for approx $1400. From: GARY ALBERS To: BOB BLAYLOCK Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 53304 (OS/2) If you insist that it's "only fair" to compare Apple's prices with those IBM compatibles who are marketing a "name," I have failed to make my point. The marketing of a name was a viable approach to profits by many companies back when the public was less informed and PCs were still novel technology. My point is that that time has past. A personal computer is a COMMODITY; there are enough good-quality, low-priced IBM compatibles around to present a serious challenge to the "name-vendors," and that is where the market is. I am not criticizing Apple's technology, by any means. The Mac is a good machine with a good CPU and a good OS -- in fact, from a technical viewpoint, I would assert that the 680x0 is better than the 80x86, chip for chip, and System 7 is superior to DOS-based Windows. But, the market issues are something totally different. If Apple abandons the "name-selling" game (like Compaq has, and IBM hasn't) and substantially lowered the price of their high-end machines, they could make a real splash. If they don't, I think they will eventually come to be known as one of those 80's technology companies that couldn't keep up. From: NOAH'S ARK To: ROBERT KEITH MCHENRY (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 53190 (OS/2) There is a meeting of the disktop pub. group tonight thurs. and there is a guest speaker and the talk will be on os 2 they should be able to ans OS 2 questions they meet at the gol. libeary 7:00 pm frist thrs. of the month. everyone welcome. tonight OS2 From: ROBERT KEITH MCHENRY To: NOAH'S ARK Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 53315 (OS/2) You stated "frist thrs. of the month". Today is the LAST thrs. of the month. What gives? Are you a week ahead of sched.? From: NOAH'S ARK To: GARY ALBERS (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 53207 (OS/2) I donnot know about all u but any system that makes all my software obsolete will have to be reallllllllllly gooooooooooood. I have a big investment in software and upgrades. I just sent off another 119 for the picture pub. update. do u mean all the old dos programs will be obsolete or will all the win programs also need upgrading. if so that winx will not play very well with me. win 3.1 made me have to upgrade vido drivers but that was it. hope u are wrong and they can figure a way to run old dos stuff and still take advanage of the 32 bit. From: GARY ALBERS To: BOB BLAYLOCK (Rcvd) Subj: 8088 P.S. -- Re IBM's decisions in the PC market. I could never understand why IBM persisted in using the 8088 through so many iterations of the PC. If I am not mistaken, they were still putting it into their XT-type models just a couple of years ago. The clone people immediately adopted the 8086 and a 16-bit buss. That's one reason why almost any clone will perform better than a True Blue machine. From: BOB BLAYLOCK To: GARY ALBERS (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 53264 (8088) Hmmm. Are you sure of that? I've seen a few exceptions, but the vast majority of XT-type machines that I looked into well enough to see, were all 8088-based. From: GARY ALBERS To: BOB BLAYLOCK (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 53267 (8088) If you've looked into an IBM machine, you will have seen 8088s. From day one in the clone market, the IBM PC was improved. My memory is foggy, but I seem to recall that COMPAQ lead the way many years ago with the 8086, and every clone maker I was familiar with followed suit. The other CPU improvement was NEC's chip (was it the V5, or something like that?). In recent years (e.g., the last 6-7 years), IBM is the only PC maker I know of who has continued to produce machines with an 8088 and an 8-bit buss. Instead of learning from the advances of their competitors, IBM has consistently pursued a self-defeating, opposing course. A couple of examples: 1.) When IBM brought out the AT running @ 8 MHz, techies quickly realized that they could increase the clock speed by simply replacing the clock xtal. IBM's response?: They altered the OS POST tests to make the machines test their speed and not boot if they were running faster than 8 MHz. The PEOPLE's reply: They let their machines boot at 8 MHz to satisfy IBM's PC DOS fetish, then boosted to turbo speed for the rest of the day! 2.) After the initial success of the original PC, IBM decided that, "Hey! Perhaps Apple is right -- there IS a market for computers among the little people. Let's make a REAL personal computer." The result: the PC Jr., with so many proprietary features that people who still own them are hoping to sell them to the Smithsonian, or convert them to duty as ignition controllers for Edsels. 3.) More recently, pursuing the old "proprietary technology" gambit, IBM designed the 32-bit MCA buss. The response of everybody else: the EISA buss. The latter is comparable to MCA in most performance respects, but doesn't charge a proprietary fee for independent vendors who develop adapter boards for that buss; and, the EISA buss allows consumers to continue using their older (and ubiquitous!) ISA adapters. Surely, EISA has more appeal to us "common folk" -- and market penetration of each buss design reflects that. Let's face it: IBM has failed us and, in doing so, has failed itself. That's a big part why the headlines today say: "IBM to get rid of 32,000 workers." That a few days after DEC announced tehey will lay off another 20,000. Getting those huge companies to respond to today's volatile market and fast-paced technology is a little like "kicking a dead elephant down the beach!" From: HARVEY WHEELER To: GARY ALBERS (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 53278 (8088) These have been very interesting and informative messages, Gary; many thanks. And in addition to your points I think that one of the problems with the information technology companies is that they have followed the production, marketing and style obsolescence models of conventional consumer high ticket hardware and I feel that an entirely new model-change process will have to emerge with new obsolescence and updating criteria. Possibly the modularity of the 486 points toward the solution. But in addition to those who enjoy, or profit from, life on the leading edge - which obviously includes many others in addition to yourself on this board - there is also need for a newly engineered mass market "appropriate technology" modular, low cost, "Volkswagen" computer, possibly with pay-as-you-lease fiber optic accessed, engineer-personalized, applications for the most expensive and difficult to configure software. For example, you could start one of the new miracle WAN based operations containing site licensed versions of the most sophisticated software items and then offer to provide clients with personalized configurations for lease - whose file products they would save and keep secure on their own machines. Something of the sort seems to be necessary for the short term (five to ten years) future. Maybe IBM (and I agree with nearly all of your indictment of it as well as of "Yuppie-generation Scully") was closer to the mark with its mainframes.That is, sell or lease the hardware but lease only the software, and keep it all operating, updated, and serviced constantly on a contractual basis. Maybe with the modular, updatable, 486 as a base, people like yourself, in addition to the prior software application deal, could furnish mid-sized firms with hardware and applications on a contract/lease basis, a la IBM main and mini frames, with the ability to upgrade everything on a fee basis. In fact, I might be interested in partnering such a business with some HiTech guys. From: MARVIN JOHNSTON To: GARY ALBERS (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 53278 (8088) Just a slight correction on your 8 MHz IBM; it was actually a 6 MHz machine that IBM came out with that could be speeded up to 8 MHz until the BIOS check was added. BTW, on a related subject, I just saw for the first time 128K chips that appeared to be 2 64K chips (4164s?) piggybacked onto each other. I read someplace that until the 128K chips came out, the two piggybacked chips were used as a substitute. Any idea of what is actually going on there? Somehow, just piggybacking two 4164s seem like it wouldn't work, although I haven't really looked into it. I have one of the 6 MHz IBM AT motherboards that I will probably end up framing as a display piece similiar to the core memory boards I have. From: BOB BLAYLOCK To: GARY ALBERS (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 53278 (8088) Well, I have to admit that there are probably a lot of XT-type machines that I didn't examine. I am aware that Compaq had an 8086-based machine, but I think it was the exception rather than the rule. Off the top of my head, I can think of three XT-type machines that I have delved deeply enough into to know for sure. None were genuine IBM, and all were 8088, not 8086 based. I know that a common "soup-up" operation for XT-types of all brands was to replace the CPU with an NEC V-20, which is an 8088, not an 8086 clone. I just now remembered a fourth specific machine I have tinkered with, which was also an 8088. I also just now remembered from the computer maintenance class that I took at SBCC a few years ago, where we had a sizeable assortment of XT-type machines of various brands to dissect, that I did not notice any which were 8086-based, and that the schematices we were given to work from all described 8088-based systems. I am aware that there were some 8086-based XT clones, including at leastone from Compaq, but I think these were really the exception, not the rule. From: BOB BLAYLOCK To: MARVIN JOHNSTON Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 53303 (8088) <> Well, lesse, a 64Kbit chip would have 16 address lines into it. Is that right? Seems right, but I don't think the chip has that many pins, or at least not enough pins to have 16 address lines, plus the other lines it would need. I guess I'll have to look up the pinout of a 4164 some time. Anyway, each 4164 would also have, I am sure, a chip-select line. Probably you could have all of the pints of a pair of chips connectd together, except the chip select lines. There's be a little bit more logic needed, then, to assert the chip select line on the appropriate one of the two chips, depending on what address is being accessed. I guess I don't know enough about the way RAM chips are accessed to know exactly how this would be done, but I do know enough to have a vague idea of how this could be done. From: GARY ALBERS To: HARVEY WHEELER (Rcvd) Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 53288 (8088) Interesting comments, Harvey. The French seem to be ahead of us in these matters. I'll be interested to see if Al Gore implements any of these ideas, should he become our next VP. (I'm not optimistic that Dan Quayle would be inspired in this direction, should we be doomed to another four years of "Quayle in the Bush" politics). I don't know that much about him,but I understand Gore has been a real innovator in the hi-tech areas. From: GARY ALBERS To: MARVIN JOHNSTON Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 53303 (8088) Thanks for the correction, Marvin. My memory is foggy for things that far back. No, I don't know the technicalities behind piggy-backing 64K chips, although I remember having a disagreement once with a local hardware expert, who claimed that the world jumped directly from 64K to 256K memory chips. I informed him that there had, indeed, been a short appearance of 128K chips. How time (and technology) flies! From: GARY ALBERS To: BOB BLAYLOCK Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 53305 (8088) Could be, Bob. That was not my experience, but my memory is vague and I make no claims to omniscience. What is not in question is the superiority of the 8086 over the 8088. If I were to be designing an XT-class machine, I would certainly be lured toward the 8086. Wouldn't you? From: GERRY CHING To: HUGH MANDESON Subj: CDROM Forget the request for the lastest version of the Microsoft CD-ROM extensions (MSCDEX.EXE). It is available from Microsoft on their downloading service. However, an address/phone number for the drive manufacturer might be handy in the future if I need an updated drive device driver. From: NOAH'S ARK To: JOHN KALSTROM Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 53178 (TOSHIBA LAPTOP) I have a toshiba and one time that happen to me. There was a little switch on the side on my 1200 hd and I had moved it with out knowing it so I call toshiba and they told me move the stwitch back. easy fix let me know if that was it. From: GARY ALBERS To: NOAH'S ARK Subj: 32-BIT OS There's no question that the migration to a 32-bit OS will be painful for the DOS world. Unfortunately, there is a serious tradeoff between the requirements for a true protected-mode, 32-bit operating system, and the seamless running of DOS applications. I have always liked programming under DOS, bacause it allows me to bypass anything I want and talk directly to hardware, video buffer, keyboard, etc. Such things can not be allowed if we are to also want an OS which will run multiple programs concurrently and protect each from the other. I've been happy with DOS, frankly. I have software that runs flawlessly and does everything I need it to do, from word-processing to CAD. In fact,I feel a little schizoid right now, because I do my applications in the DOS world, but am learning tools I'll need for the future. And part of me just doesn't see the need for much of this "progress." I think it's market-driven, for sure -- a market curiously molded by the "supply-side" players instead of the "demanding" consumer. Microsoft is slowly, but surely, dropping the other shoe about their forthcoming Windows NT OS. They now claim that support for DOS applications will, indeed, be limited. They are looking at the "top 100 DOS applications" and will tailor compatibility around that market. You can bet that MS WORD, EXCEL, and other MS products will be at the top of their list of applications to support. Nonetheless, over time, we will have to adopt new upgrades if we want to migrate to the 32-bit world. I'm hoping that most vendors will offer upgrades at very reasonable prices -- but it's still SOME price, isn't it? Some people have recognized the persistence of the DOS world, even the text-mode world. E.g., Symantec has brought out their text-based Norton Desktop for DOS. I think there will be ways to stay in the DOS world for a long time to come, and ways to make the transition to 32-bits gradually. From: GARY ALBERS To: HARVEY WHEELER (Rcvd) Subj: CHEAP PC Yup, Harvey. That's my point. Sounds pretty good for a "kick-around" home consumer machine, doesn't it. By the way, what were the "names" of those machines again -- I don't think I'm familiar with them. . . From: HARVEY WHEELER To: GARY ALBERS Subj: REPLY TO MSG# 53322 (CHEAP PC) I did not get brand names from either Gallant or ABI however I was able to help a friend buy two 386 33, (that was before the drop in price of the 40s) VGA, just under 100 mg HD and an authentic copy of DOS 5 for a little over $1000 f rom Gallant. That has been about 9 or so months and they have held up fine. The prices go up steeply if you need big memory HDs. A 386 40 with 80 meg is now about $850 and may come down a bit soon. ----- The Creature and Society Transcribed and edited by Robert Ziller SUSAN: What would Shakespeare have done with Frankenstein? As a character. JILL: He would've made Frankenstein royalty. A lot of Shakespeare's kings are really no less monstrous than Frankenstein. Leontes, for example, or Lear -- ROBERT: Or he might've made Frankenstein an actor who is so exhausted by his own personhood that he decides to become a monster. JILL: I'd like to know what Frankenstein would've done with Shakespeare...? SUSAN: There were only two kinds of creatures in Frankenstein's world: women and enemies, and -- ROBERT: So essentially Frankenstein was a proto-feminist, then? JILL: You are Frankenstein, Robert. SUSAN: What does the Frankenstein story tell us? For one thing that once someone is dead, you should let them stay dead. Imagine being freed from earthly existence and inhabiting the warm ubiquitous glow of the afterlife; suddenly some mad scientist back on earth puts your brain into a corpse, gives it a jolt of electricity, and all of a sudden your soul is sucked out of the afterlife and plugged into this earthly body. But now you have no spirit with which to relate to the world. And probably no real mind, so you're just -- JILL: I think the problem with Dr. Frankenstein -- the monster's creator -- was that he had no appreciation of Frankenstein the monster _as a person_; he was interested in the monster just insofar as he embodied a scientific experiment. Dr. Frankenstein was a lot like a behaviorist; an early B.F. Skinner, only considerably more original than Skinner. ROBERT: Wait a minute, Jill; how could Dr. Frankenstein have related to his creation as a person? He wasn't a person, he was a monster. JILL: Well, what exactly makes a person? ROBERT: Come on! JILL: No, really. If you say for example that someone's gay because he has such-and-such condition in his hypothalamus, someone's violent because of such-and-such chromosomes, someone drinks lots of alcohol because they have such-and-such chemical imbalance, well then...where is there room left for a person? SUSAN: Can I interrupt? I want to steer this away from becoming an unentertaining philosophical debate. ROBERT: Just one more note on that, please. What did Frankenstein want? He wanted a room with no fire in it, enough food to eat, and a mate. That was the full extent of his ambition. That hardly seems very human to me. JILL: Well, what you've just described are the goals of most ordinary people. We decorate those three main goals -- food, shelter, sensuality -- with all sorts of rituals, but really that's what our lives boil down to. SUSAN: Let me broach this idea: Could Frankenstein ever have been integrated into society? What would happen if he were created today? Certainly we're much closer to being able to animate dead matter today than we were a hundred years ago. JILL: Well I think American society has developed extraordinarily sophisticated techniques for modifying deviant personalities. In some cases it works backwards; social pressures instead of imposing uniformity on a divergent person end up pushing him or her further away from the norm, and that often leads to criminality. SUSAN: As does forced uniformity, though often in different ways. JILL: I think if Frankenstein were alive today, he might be turned into a "normal" individual. You could see him eating a banana split at the ice cream parlor, or wearing Nikes; you could see him working at a bookstore, or -- ROBERT: Or teaching at a university, or singing in a choir. Frankenstein could be a celebrity, like on MTV -- JILL: No, Frankenstein's personality is too strong, he wouldn't make a good celebrity. Celebrities obliterate their real personalities in order to adapt to current fashions; once they learn a particular vogue way of acting and looking, society embraces them, revels in them overnight, then spits them away. And most celebrities can only mold themselves to one single fashion; once they come to be associated with that one...context, they seem out of place in any other context. And anyway, how many times can you transform yourself without becoming vacuous? So most celebrities only remain hip for several years. Then after that they're worse than obsolete; they're embarrassing. They're contemptible. The society that cherished them for becoming mindless instruments of titillation now hates them for having had such low standards. Society will never forgive them. And in their own souls, they can never escape the fact that they were once in the Partridge Family, or on Gilligan's Island, or whatever. ROBERT: But there are also people who become celebrities just because they have such charming personalities, because they're -- JILL: Oh, they're even worse off! Their personalities become public property and their status as private individuals is wrecked. SUSAN: Taking your reasoning through a slightly different turn, Jill, I think some people might see all celebrities as Frankensteins; manufactured creatures. ROBERT: But speaking of Frankenstein not being able to be a celebrity, in the past decade or so we've seen several movies dealing with Frankenstein. JILL: Well but that's not to say that Frankenstein is in fact a celebrity; he's just a role that anyone can fill so long as she or he adheres to the basic Frankensteinian guidelines on monsterhood. Anyone can be Frankenstein in this society, just like anyone can -- theoretically -- be President. SUSAN: You said "she or he." Let's talk about Frankenstein's bride. Was the monster couple capable of having a family? ROBERT: And if so, what church would they have joined? What would their politics have been? Could Frankenstein himself have become President? SUSAN: I thought the '80 and '84 elections answered that... JILL: Well, again, I think if Frankenstein were alive today we'd be hard pressed to distinguish him -- at least on the surface -- from an ordinary man. SUSAN: So you're saying, Jill, that like Dr. Frankenstein who just wasn't interested in what you called the personhood of his monster and therefore totally ignored him, contemporary society essentially does the same thing to its individuals by forcing them to obey some picture of the model citizen? JILL: More or less; I don't think -- ROBERT: That notion's belied by the fact that our society has such admiration for true individuals, such as Frank Zappa, Henry David Thoreau, Ross Perot, -- JILL: Well on what grounds do you consider them true individuals? It seems to me they're just magnifications of features of our social consciousness which may not be obvious, but which are nevertheless very in keeping with our national character. When you get real individuals, like Emma Goldman, Eugene Debs, Polly Baker, these people are hounded by government agents, periodically imprisoned -- as was Thoreau. Essentially their lives are spent at war with their society. ROBERT: But those people were genuine threats to the social order -- for good or for bad. How do you think Frankenstein would threaten us? JILL: He'd threaten us in our self-identity. He'd show us that we're just as monstrous as any of the horror-movie monsters we've imagined. ROBERT: Isn't it just extraordinary that human beings actually spend time sitting around worrying about their own status as beings? Why is this so important to us? Would a true monster go through this ontological insecurity? JILL: I think the Frankenstein story tells us this: Lighten up; take it easy; live and let live; the world is full of evil, so stay away from it as much as possible. Aside from that, just relax and enjoy life. ROBERT: That is a such a shallow hedonistic interpretation! How can you think that? SUSAN: Before we go any further, I'd like to thank you both; we are out of time. ----- Alone, by Johnston Kinds The house of the dying man was surrounded by twenty thousand acres of central Californian land. A colony of illegal Mexican immigrants lived there and farmed the land for the decrepit Alan Daley and his sons, Tracy and Lisle. The laborers rarely left the property; when their village was established Alan Daley created two stores where he charged the workers non-profit prices for food, clothing, liquor, etc. Life on the village was self-contained and provided the tenants more comfort than they had known in their politically tumultuous homeland; Alan Daley was probably the only man in America who gave illegal immigrant laborers a fair deal. At first Daley had a doctor visit the village regularly, but the workers ignored him; they had their own medicine; most of them were Ginash Indians who practised traditional healing. * * * Tracy The Daleys' quiet, monumental home was far from the workers' village. A mile north of the house was a cliff overlooking a canyon with a stream snaking through its floor of sand, rocks, and low, dense bushes. Oak trees spotted the wide fields around the house. There was an oak tree at the edge of the canyon cliff on which Alan Daley made a swing for his sons when Tracy, the oldest by a year, was nine. The swing still hung from the old tree; it carried people beyond the edge of the cliff; sitting on the swing the boys looked down in exhilaration at the cool floor of the canyon forty feet below. Now twenty-four, Tracy continued to use the swing when he was upset about things. Tracy was moody and inconsistent. Sometimes he fell prey to ennui and sat for days in front of the television. Sometimes he vanished periods of up to two days then returned, exhausted, with scratches on his pallid face and his body. He spent almost all his time in seclusion at their estate, which they called the Range. * * * Lisle Lisle took trips down to Los Angeles to see movies, go to clubs, to throw himself like a spark into unfamiliar circles of people; he would befriend, embrace, use, and offend them. These pilgrimages satisfied any therapeutic needs he had; they were exercises in indulgence. After one of Lisle's trips he brought back to the Range a doctoral candidate from UCLA named Hannah. Hannah took to the Range right away; within days her demeanor hinted that the house was as much hers as it was Lisle's and Tracy's. * * * Alan By this point their father Alan was in a state of unconsciousness interrupted only by brief periods of delirium. A mouse-like, nearly invisible nurse lived with him in an isolated section of the house. It was expected that he would die soon. Despite its ever more concrete certainty, that expectation had escaped fulfillment for four years. Lisle and Tracy found visiting their father uncomfortable; Tracy because he loved his father, and Lisle because he loathed him. Years ago Alan Daley would wake up screaming; his scorching voice reverberated throughout the house until the nurse drugged him. But for the past two years he had been quiet; sometimes his drained voice muttered soft nonsensical poetry, but no one heard it. * * * Hannah Lisle was away during the day. He enjoyed the crude business operations of his father's estate and spent much of his time with the foreman, gradually taking over the job of the old, trusted friend of Alan Daley. Hannah did not miss him. His non-sexual company was a limited stimulus. The appealing thing about staying at the Range was being away from the toxic urban world. And at the Range she had sex every night, didn't have to buy her own food, and had plenty of peace and quiet in which to work on her dissertation. But after the first couple of days Hannah found herself distracted. Her dissertation began to seem trivial, while the country around the Range with its pathless purity was dazzlingly idyllic and made her feel primitive. Fully alive. Hannah found she was actually on vacation. And then there was Tracy. Hannah had deliciously light conversations with Tracy, whom she adored. Tracy -- like his brother -- could not handle challenging discussions, so they talked about plants and animals on the Range, television shows, politics, and so on. Tracy took walks for hours every day. Hannah once asked Lisle where he went. "Damned if I know. He's probably building a treehouse or something. Who cares?" Finally Hannah felt comfortable enough with Tracy that she could ask him. "I don't go anywhere, really. I mean I go...well I go places. But, you know, there are things to do and all that. Nowhere in particular." "Can I come sometime?" Tracy was surprised. "Can you come with me, you mean? Oh, no! I mean, you wouldn't, you'd be bored. Anyway, anyway, it's, it's...no." Needless to say, Hannah's curiosity was heightened by Tracy's staggered reply. * * * Alan Alan Daley's nurse stared down at the old man's lips. They moved but brought no sound to air. For the first time in two years, Alan Daley looked directly at the nurse and she became tense. Afraid that he would begin screaming again, she removed a syringe from her bag and prepared a tranquilizer. Daley's voice rose like a fossil breaking out of stone: it issued wandering, unintelligible tones. His eyes became enlivened, and his stream of vowels became civilized by consonants. He spoke to the nurse as if he were conscious. "Nurse, nurse...I need to talk to Tracy. I need to tell him about his mother. I lied. I lied..." "Relax, Mr. Daley." "No, no...I need to talk to Tracy. I just need to tell him about his mother. I just need to, I -- oh, Jesus --" Seeing his excitement growing to a dangerous pitch, the nurse gave Alan Daley the injection. He would never be conscious again. * * * Lisle Tracy, Lisle, and Hannah were never together at once because the two brothers avoided each other. There was no open hostility between them, only institutionalized silence. Lisle became uncomfortable with Hannah's fondness for Tracy. He knew that Tracy -- with his enigmatic personality, his Martian consciousness -- was more interesting than he was. Their father never disguised his favoritism towards Tracy. Lisle didn't know how to confront Hannah, but he was jealous; Hannah became mirthful and lively when she was with Tracy, but with him she seemed blase, perfunctory, disinterested. Their only quality contact was sexual. Why the hell was it that everyone was so fond of Tracy? For Lisle, being with Tracy -- a rare occurrence -- was like being with an animal; being with a non-human. * * * Lisle The question about the destination of Tracy's daily excursions was soon answered. Lisle went with the foreman of the estate to the workers' village one afternoon and, at a distance, saw Tracy walking out of an immigrant family's hovel. Tracy left the village without noticing Lisle. After Lisle finished his business, he visited the house. He found it peculiar that his brother was socializing with one of the immigrant families; all their lives they had stayed separate from the workers. Lisle introduced himself to the family and was welcomed in. The purpose of Tracy's friendliness became clear: standing by a window at the back of the main room was the family's only child: a stunning young woman. She was wearing earrings and clothes that were bought outside the village; her parents were aware of her beauty and were spending most of their money on her. The woman's name was Lucia. Lucia. If he wasn't involved with Hannah, Lisle thought he might consider her. Matter of fact, if Hannah and Tracy got much friendlier... * * * Lisle Lisle decided to go to L.A.; he was uncomfortable with Hannah and he wanted to visit an old girlfriend. A trace of instinct told him that if he left for a few days and Hannah still valued him, she would begin to miss him, and all her original infatuations would be renewed upon his return -- at least briefly. But if she did not react with reborn joy at his return, the relationship was over. Lisle went to find her to tell her he was leaving. She was not in the house. Lisle went outside and scouted the terrain. From the site of the swing, he looked down at the stream forty feet below and saw his brother and his girlfriend standing together, watching the stream and talking. * * * Lisle That evening Lisle and Hannah ate dinner in the kitchen. "I'm going to L.A. tomorrow." She looked up at him. "You are?" He nodded, not meeting her eyes. "Well, I haven't gotten any work done, so I don't really have any reason to go to UCLA." "I wasn't asking you to come with me, Hannah." She put down her fork and looked at him. His head was still tipped down. "Why are you going?" Lisle paused. His head jerked up. "Because I want to get the fuck away from here for a few days." They were both silent. She brushed a cluster of hair behind her ear then folded her hands on her lap. "Are you upset about something, Lisle?" His lips trembled. "I want to visit an old friend, all right? I want to get out of here. Look, you're not going to be alone -- you're going to be with Tracy, I'm sure you have no problem with that. I'm tired of this goddam place." They were silent. * * * Tracy After eating dinner with Lucia's family, Tracy sat with her on a bench at the threshold of a field just outside the workers' village. It was nighttime, and she looked at his face under the light of the full moon; he looked blissful, but he did not look at her; he was staring at the sky. Although she had never been to a school Lucia was sophisticated, and Tracy's shyness was irritating as hell. "To think my mother warned me about you, Tracy!" He turned to her; he looked serious. "You've said a total of about twenty-three words this evening, nineteen of which were 'uh,' you've made eye contact with me twice, you --" Tracy leaned over and kissed her. The kiss lasted; his other hand joined hers on her lap. She forced herself up from the bench in mock alarm. When he stood up she spun around and ran into the field. After several seconds she looked back and found him chasing her. The night air rushed past her and she laughed. * * * Lisle Lisle noticed that Hannah had gained weight since she arrived at the Range. It was a tiny change; as they lay in bed, he moved his hand across her compact breasts and over her ribs, her belly; she was more solid. They had had sex without exchanging a word. He looked at the dark shape of her face. Her body was pure passion; if only she wasn't such a willful girl. "I found out where Tracy goes, Hannah." She was asleep. * * * Lucia When Lucia reached the oak grove at the edge of the field she turned around. Tracy was nowhere to be seen; the full moon threw blue incandescent light upon an empty field. How could she have lost him out in the open? She took a step back towards the field, then froze; in the impenetrable shadows of the oak grove behind her there was a sound. She felt somebody there. Cold tension reached out from her stomach. A hand clamped over her mouth and an arm passed around her waist. She screamed into the hand, then laughed. She spun around and kissed Tracy. They knelt on the ground and broke through their clothing into the company of darkness; he pushed her onto her back and laid upon her. He moved into her and she gasped, then kissed him again. She closed her eyes. After several minutes, his breaths began to sound like a steel shovel scraping against a cement sidewalk. She opened her eyes in alarm. The strong moonlight behind Tracy's head created a silhouette; she could not see his face. "Tracy, are you OK?" A cloud passed over the moon and in the moment that the light was distributed evenly around them his face became visible: his eyes were puffy and bloodshot; his cheeks had become densely hairy; strands of drool strung down from his mouth, where she saw on each jaw a pair of long, white, glistening canine teeth. Lucia felt the drool spill from the creature's jaws onto her breasts, and she fainted. * * * Shelly The colored stage lights slashed violently through the atmosphere of the nightclub. Lisle was preoccupied, and this annoyed Shelly; she had not seen him in two weeks and now his presence was fractional. Shelly took a tube of lipstick from her purse. "So did you talk to the lawyer? Are you going to inherit the Range?" "I don't know; they wouldn't let me look at the will. I fucking doubt it, though. Tracy is Alan's prince; as long as he's around I won't get anything. The best I can hope for is that Tracy will keep me on to run the fucking place." Lisle paused to light a cigarette. "It's so degrading. I hate that guy." "Well...my lease expires at the end of this month," she said, alluding to a promise he made before he met Hannah to let her move in with him. Lisle was embarrassed. He became angry. "Shelly, I want to fuck you; let's leave." * * * Lucia Lucia awoke with a jolt at dawn. Through bleary eyes she glanced around her in the oak grove. She was alone. There was dew on her body; her clothes lay several yards away. In panic, her thoughts collided. She remembered how passionate the night was until...had it been a dream? Lucia launched off the ground, dressed, and rushed back towards the village. She felt imbued with purest energy as she strode across the field; she had never felt so refreshed after waking up. She wondered if it was because she was so scared; or was it that when men came inside you and you didn't become pregnant, you digested their semen like food? Or had Tracy -- the creature -- cast a spell on her? Another thought exploded in her mind: Maybe she was pregnant with his child. Who would she tell this to? Her mother was a good friend of the women's shaman -- Ginash Indians had different healers for men and women. The shaman would be able to tell her what to do, and whether what she saw just a vision. * * * Hannah Hannah was awakened by the engine of Lisle's car. Lisle had sabotaged his muffler to make the engine louder. Hannah got up from bed and went to the window. Seeing the car surge down the driveway and disappear, Hannah felt relieved. Hannah's boredom with Lisle was overburdened the night before by his moodiness; Lisle wasn't worth maintaining a relationship with; the stylishness which initially caught her attention now seemed contrived. Besides, he was an ignoramus. Tracy, on the other hand, was something interesting. Hannah She took a shower, dressed, went down to the kitchen to make breakfast and wait for him to wake up. * * * Lucia The old woman blew her nose into a handkerchief, then leaned back and closed her eyes. "Lucia, the first time you told me this story, you made it sound like he raped you. Now you're making it sound like you were as willing as he was. Did he rape you, or did you want him to fuck you?" "I wanted him to..." "What did he look like when his appearance changed?" "Like he was turning into a wolf..." The old woman was not a true shaman; she had left her instructor in Mexico when she was only a neophyte; and much of what she was taught she had forgotten. Nothing this bizarre had come to her before. But the notion of hallucination was totally foreign; there were visions, but visions were meaningful. Something had to be done about this. The old woman improvised. "You have its baby inside you. You have to kill it. You have to kill both of them. I will give you a drink to kill the thing inside you, but you also have to kill the creature that impregnated you. I will give you a knife." Lucia shook her head. "No. No, it was just a dream! God damn it, I had a great time, I would probably -- " "This creature you met, its father must have been a man and its mother an animal; that doesn't happen naturally. This is some sort of curse." The old woman explained that for anything in nature to work it has to complete a cycle. To complete the cycle started by the creature's father, she told Lucia, "You have to castrate this creature and feed its organs to a female wolf." The morbidity of the assignment overwhelmed Lucia; the whole situation, the chaos, the unreality. Lucia began crying. She cursed herself for having told the old woman. When Lucia left, darkness fell over the old woman's sagging face. She had no idea whether she had given Lucia the right advice. She blew her nose again, and hobbled to a cupboard. Inside she found a stack of disposable dust masks and more than a dozen tubes of model glue. Holding one of each, she moved laboriously back to her chair. She squeezed glue inside the mask, then held it over her face. She leaned back in her chair and breathed deeply. * * * Tracy The blinds on Tracy's windows were closed; beams of sallow sunlight penetrated the cracks, and particles of dust swam through them amoebically. Tracy awoke with a start; he had no recollection of having gone to bed the night before; the last thing he remembered was running in a field with Lucia. A feeling of dread consumed him. He had suffered black-outs before. As he searched through his memory for fragments that might tell him what he had done, he examined his body. Sometimes he woke up with scratches and gashes on his flesh; some of them seemed to be from branches or nails, some seemed to be dog bites; some were unidentifiable. Not a shred of recollection came to him; no fragmentary visions, no memories of tastes or smells. After other blackouts Tracy recalled stray impressions -- images of nighttime forests and fields, usually illuminated by the moon; the taste and feel of icy running water; images of the dark interiors of strangers' houses; the taste, distinct and slightly metallic, of blood; sounds of dogs barking and howling. But most disconcerting was the emotional residue of the black-outs; the haunting, vague feeling that he had done something terrible. It was an after-image from one the black-outs that led Tracy to meet Lucia. He struggled with a memory of the insides of an unfamiliar house to perceive a clue that would enable him to figure out where it was. The structure seemed primitive and temporary, and there was nothing high-tech in it. Through the window Tracy could see, illuminated by a full moon, the outline of one of the two stores in the workers' village. Tracy found out which house it was and tried to discover by talking to the tenants why he had a memory of their house. He learned nothing from the owners of the house, but he met their daughter, Lucia. * * * Hannah Hannah looked for a stereo in the house, but could not find one. She watched television until a nagging feeling of guilt impelled her to shut of the TV, go to the living room, and subsume herself in her dissertation notes. Scanning the pages with a wandering mind, she fought a war with distraction for several hours -- until Tracy appeared in the doorway, smiling. The war was lost. "Good morning, Hannah!" "Hi!" "You look really busy, maybe I should..." "I'm so bored; let's do something." * * * Lisle Lisle woke up and for an instant could not remember where he was. He reached out and touched the body beside him. It mumbled something, and he looked at his watch. "Shelly." He shook her gently. Shelly mumbled again. "Shelly, come on, I have to leave. I need some breakfast." Shelly looked up through her tangled hair. "Are you going home?" "Yeah." "I thought you were going to stay here for a few days." "I have to take care of something. I'll be back here tomorrow." "Lisle, what's going on?" He looked at her. "Do you still want to move into the Range?" Her eyes widened. He went back to the Range to finish it off with Hannah. * * * Tracy Hannah and Tracy walked slowly upstream; they were flanked by the orderly splash of water on the left and the tall stone cliff on the right. Tracy asked Hannah to tell him about her dissertation. "It's on prehistoric art. About a year ago I saw a bunch of cave paintings of animals and people, and I had a couple of ideas. I sometimes get this feeling of being able to reach back into history and touch the past. So I had this thought: how far back can our sense of history go? Can our sense of history go back to the souls of the cave people? I think it can. And what if you're one ofthe cave people? How far back in evolution can your sense of history go? "My great dud of a theory about cave paintings was that they were motivated by the cave people having a sense of history that reached way back into the point on the evolutionary scale when the highest life form was the bison, or the antelope, or whatever -- the animals that they painted. I thought the collective unconscious was carried like a torch by the cutting edge of evolution; that the collective unconscious, for lack of a better term, determines our real identity, and since this collective unconscious never really dies, in a sense we are animals. "A more watered-down theory was that these drawings were messages being sent to their dead ancestors; they were being drawn in rock because rock is the earthly substance that comes closest to being eternal. "Well, after doing research on evolution I saw that it couldn't work. And besides, no one has proven that a collective unconscious exists. Then I came up with a sort of weird reversal of that idea; that the cave people were not trying to reach into the past, they were trying to reach into the future; that they were trying to send future people a message. I thought these people were trying to tell something to us. Or maybe people later than us; maybe that's why we can't understand the message, we're not evolved enough yet. And maybe the cave people weren't even aware what they were doing. "Anyway, I mentioned that to one of my instructors and she said that if I ever suggested something like that again, she'd throw me out of grad school!" "That sounds really neat." "Well, I used to like thinking about it. I used to sometimes feel, looking at photographs of those old cave paintings, like I was somehow right next to the artists. That I somehow experienced them." Tracy squinted. "I think I sometimes get a feeling like that with animals." Hannah looked up at him. "What do you mean?" They stopped walking. Tracy stared into the rushing water. "I'm not sure," he said softly. Soon the sun would sink behind the wall of the cliff; the last rays of direct sunlight were upon them. Hannah looked at Tracy's face; with its combination of stillness and inward searching, it looked beautiful to her. She moved beside him, and put her arm around him. He looked down, then kissed her. * * * Lucia Lucia was given a strong, dark tea; she was told it would kill the embryo inside her. The taste was terrible, and she threw up repeatedly. The old woman insisted that she keep drinking more of it until she kept some down. As soon as her body began to digest the drink it had a tranquilizing effect on her, and a hallucinogenic one as well. She fell asleep, but several minutes after she began dreaming. * * * Lisle "Hannah!" Lisle waited for a reply. None came. He walked into the kitchen and opened the refrigerator. In the cool electrified air things in plastic wrap and foil gleamed up at him. He closed the refrigerator and discovered a cake on the counter. He cut a piece and took several bites before he was distracted by a sound. "Hannah?" Lisle looked through the window above the kitchen sink. A tiny, tiny sound -- a cry, a scream of pain -- passed faintly over the fields. From where? Lisle dropped the piece of cake on the counter and raced out into the yard. * * * Lucia In the middle of the night the door of Lucia's small bedroom swung open, but no light entered from the main room of the house. There was no light at all. Lucia heard the door thud against the wall as it swung to its limit, and she sat up and stared. She could not see anything, but the air in the room was moving. Something was making it move. She heard the first sound rise out of nothingness: like a slow, dull scratching sound that went on for two seconds, then stopped; then resumed for another two seconds, and repeated. When the rhythm established itself she realized it was breathing. The tea had put Lucia into a fever, and the tranquilizing effects of the concoction still held her. She could not sit up any longer; she was too tired. She fell back upon the bed. But inside her body of lethargic muscle, inside her alternately burning and icy febrile body, her heart was pounding. She felt sweat dripping from her forehead and matting her hair. She heard the second sound as she stared into the darkness. It was a voice, and the voice spoke her name. "Lucia..." Adrenaline slashed through her veins and her head began throbbing. She did not recognize the voice; she could not tell whether it was a man or a woman. After several seconds she wondered if she had actually heard it. "Who's there?" Lucia whispered. She felt a tiny breeze and then the door clicked shut. But whoever had spoken was still in the room with her. Lucia tried to determine where the breathing was coming from -- which side of her, what part of the room -- but the harder she concentrated the more her head throbbed. Her body changed temperature; her veins turned to icicles, and she lost the ability to focus any effort. She could sense, and that was all. Lucia was on the verge of blacking out, she thought, when the blanket was lifted from her body. Her chilled body began trembling. The blanket was dropped at her knees. She heard a deep inhalation near her, but she did not have the strength to look. Lucia felt a flow of warm breath against her chest, and she felt several strands of hair fall upon her skin. Abruptly, she felt a pair of lips embrace one of her nipples. They were warm and dry. They rubbed the tiny firmness of her erect nipple gently -- then teeth introduced themselves to her flesh. Lucia's nerves were quavering, and if the acute sensations in her breast did not chain her attention, she would have blacked out. Through the sub-zero veil on her body she felt tears condensing in her eyes. She whispered at the body consuming her, "Who are you?" No response came. Lucia felt a weight placed on her sweating body, upon her stomach, and then it relented, and the mouth on her breast went away. She sighed faintly, then felt her legs pulled apart. Something grabbed her clump of her pubic hair, and a thick phallus crushed into her. The hallucination, or the dream, faded, and the darkness of the room mirrored Lucia's consciousness. Opaque sleep held her for a day. * * * Lisle Lisle followed the cries. As his distance from them diminished, he could hear them better. They were not cries of pain; they were cries of ecstasy. Lisle felt boundaries of emotion shatter inside him; anger like countless poisoned teeth whirled in his heart as he approached the edge of the cliff. From the site of the swing, Lisle scanned the bed of the canyon below. Sunset was half an hour away; in the darkening atmosphere of the canyon he saw Tracy lying on top of Hannah upon a bed of sand by the stream. Her arms were wrapped around him. Tracy had stolen their father's affection from him, and now Tracy had stolen his lover. It hardly mattered that Hannah was not important to Lisle; everyone who knew them liked Tracy more. An idea that occurred to Lisle more than ten years earlier came back to him as he stood beside the oak with the tire swing. Lisle began sprinting back to the house. * * * Lisle Lisle found a Swiss Army knife in his room, and rushed back to the cliff. He climbed the old oak and began cutting through the swing's rope just below the knot. Lisle would not cut all the way through the rope; the rope was already quite old; he would only cut through enough strands that next time Tracy sat on the swing, his weight would cause the rope to break. The fall was forty feet. When Lisle finished with the rope he left the Range. It would look like an accident. He would get Shelly to say that he left the next day. Hannah would never know that he was there. When their father died, there would be no one to inherit the property but him. * * * Hannah After taking a shower and putting on clean clothes, Hannah and Tracy went into the kitchen to make dinner. On the kitchen counter, Hannah found a piece of cake with bites taken out of it. "Tracy?" "Yeah?" Tracy was searching through the refrigerator. "Lisle was here today." Tracy's head jerked towards her. * * * Shelly Just before midnight, Shelly was sitting on her couch watching television when a fist banged against her door. Instinctively her hands moved to cover herself; her night gown had slipped open. She grabbed a coat -- the fist banged some more -- and stepped up to the door. "Who is it?" The voice from outside didn't sounded broken. "It's Lisle." * * * Tracy "Ever since Lisle and I have been young we've had nothing to do with each other. When we're forced to be around each other, we just fight." Hannah and Tracy were lying in his bed, which they had just made. There were no creases in the blankets. Between them were two glasses of brandy. "What about your mother? I've never heard you guys mention her so I assume she must have died, or..." "Lisle and I had different mothers. Lisle's mother left when...well, right after he was born. Actually I'm not sure if she left, or if Dad forced her to leave." "Why would he have done that?" Tracy touched his glass. "I think because...she would've favored Lisle over me, and he didn't want that." "What about your mother?" Tracy's face darkened. "I don't know. I don't think I ever met her. She might've died in childbirth. I don't know." "You must've asked your father about her...?" "The first time I got him to talk about her I was like sixteen. He told me that he met her on a business trip in Boston; he said she had long, black hair, that she was the prettiest woman he'd ever met." "So what happened?" "He said that a few days after she gave birth to me, she went for a walk to some store or something, and never returned. The police never found her. She just vanished, and no one knew for sure whether she was kidnapped, or just decided to leave. "It took me so long to get over that. I just couldn't deal with it. I asked my father to tell me about my mother again two years later, and I guess Dad forgot what he told me the first time; this time he said that he met my mother in Chicago, where she was a waitress." Hannah stared. "It's strange, isn't it? For some reason he refused to tell me the truth." "Did you confront him?" "You mean, tell him he was contradicting himself? No, I didn't." "Why not?" "Because he was already sick by then. The doctors told us he was going to die, and I was afraid I'd upset him." Hannah reached over and hugged Tracy. "Hannah?" She let go of him and they faced each other. "Look, I think Lisle will be back tomorrow. You'd better leave. We've never really confronted each other before, but I don't think you should be here. Can you take my car and drive back to LA?" "Will you call me tomorrow?" "Yes." * * * Lisle "Hello?" Tracy answered the phone. Lisle felt a flicker of surprise; he had never heard his brother's voice over the phone before. "This is Lisle." Shelly was sitting in the other room, but Lisle knew that she was listening. It didn't matter; he confessed everything to her the night before. He even confessed that he loved her. Naturally she felt the same way. "Tracy, I saw you fucking Hannah yesterday." "Wait, wait a minute --" "Tracy, I don't care. She's a whore, Tracy. I bought a month of her time, paid in advance." "That's stupid." "You don't believe me?" "Of course not." "Oh, I know that she thinks you're cute; she told me a couple of times how she'd like to screw you. Hell, whatever you think, it's fine with me. Just make sure to get tested soon." Lisle hung up the phone. What the hell; he didn't have to be convincing, he just had to be upsetting. Tracy would go on one of his therapeutic walks, and as always, he'd use the swing. Lisle said goodbye to Shelly, and began the drive to the Range. * * * Tracy Tracy went for a walk. Around the house the fields rose up in hills to meet the sky, then fell away; the atmosphere kept them apart. Years living together, motherless, seeing their father disappear into an interstice between life and death -- amounted to nothing in his relationship with Lisle. At the canyon cliff, Tracy looked below at the steam. He thought of Hannah, and how reluctantly they separated that morning. He would call her as soon as he cleared his head. Tracy sat on the swing, and pushed off the edge of the cliff. * * * Lucia Lucia awoke an hour before sunset. Her fever had begun to wear off, and although she was still weak, she could not stall any longer. Lucia found the knife the old woman gave her; a thin, aquiline blade. She left her house and began walking towards the Daleys' house. She had never been there before; she only knew its direction. * * * Tracy Tracy had the sensation of darkness being slashed open by light; his eyes opened onto a chaos of blurs. At the same time silence became deformed into sound: a shrill, piercing ring, and then the slow, regular thud of a heartbeat. Despite the sensations Tracy was not conscious yet. As a vehicle for thoughts assembled out of oblivion, the colors in Tracy's sight became more defined, and began taking on shape; depth assorted them. He was staring at the bed of the canyon from an angle he had never seen before. Rocks were level to his eyes, and even low bushes were taller than he was. There was another strange thing in the scene: standing about fifteen feet away from Tracy was a large, grey and black wolf. It looked at him. The last dimensions of sensation broke open: Tracy could taste blood in his mouth, and his body was entombed in one, single sensation: a dull throb. The wolf walked slowly over to Tracy. Its eyes were focused on his. There was something compelling about the its eyes. He had seen them before. They were the eyes of every mirror he had ever looked into; they were just like his own. The wolf's muzzle was inches from Tracy's face. It did not move, but Tracy heard an even, impassive, barely feminine voice. It spoke his name. "Tracy. Get up." * * * Lisle Lisle arrived at the Range just before sunset. Approaching the canyon cliff, he saw that the rope was no longer dangling from the tree. His heart pounded. At the cliff, Lisle breathed in deeply. He held his breath as he looked over the edge. On the sandy, rocky canyon bed forty feet below was the swing; there was no body. It had occurred to him that perhaps the rope would break before Tracy swung over the edge of the cliff, but if that had happened, why would the swing be on the ground down below? Tracy must have survived. Forty feet? Falling down to rocks and sand? He must have survived long enough to crawl a few yards, perhaps behind some cover. He had to make sure Tracy was dead. Lisle retrieved a flashlight from the house, and began walking back towards the cliff; Tracy's body would have to be somewhere by the stream bed. Sunset was swallowed by darkness, and just as Lisle was about to switch on his flashlight, he saw a dark figure across the field to his left. * * * Lucia Lucia could not find the house. Her hand was sweaty around the handle of the knife. Her calves were streaked with cuts from the field's long blades of grass. Her forehead was damp -- her fever was returning. It began to seem to her that she was walking in circles. Out of the corner of her eye Lucia saw a person. She held the knife behind her back and froze; the person was staring at her. * * * Lisle It was a woman, standing still. Lisle turned on the light, and began walked towards her. He passed the flashlight over her and saw that it was Lucia, the beautiful young woman who his brother had been courting. She was wearing a short, olive-green dress. Her hands were behind her back, and her hips were thrust forward. She looked frightened. Lisle was once again aware of how sexy this woman was. He approached her. * * * Lucia Lucia could not see clearly in the darkness; she assumed the person was Tracy. Her hands trembled on the knife behind her back; she was afraid that she would drop it in the grass and not be able to find it. Lucia's mouth was dry. She felt no emotional energy at being in his presence again and she was disappointed by this; she had believed that she loved him. But now Lucia felt desperate and ill. It occurred to her that this was really just another task. A flashlight went on in his hand, and he guided the brightness to her face; the light punched a hole through her eyes and made her dizzy. She felt nauseous. She wanted to get this over with. The light in her eyes prevented Lucia from seeing him clearly. He stepped closer and stared at her for several seconds. Lucia lost patience; she stepped towards him and fell on her knees, surreptitiously dropping the knife by her leg. She wrapped her arms around his waist. She had expected a familiar thrill at being close to him again but there was none. She unbuttoned his pants, and he turned off the flashlight. Her icy fingers slipped under the band of his underwear, and impatiently slid it down. She kissed his pubic hair, rubbing his skin with her tongue. She moved her head down and embraced his flaccid member with her lips. She felt it harden. He moaned softly. His penis was rigid in her mouth, thrusting into her. She moved her left hand to his testicles while her right hand picked up the knife. * * * Alan Alan Daley was breathing his way through an endless maze, his inhalations and exhalations stumbling upon each other like disoriented shadows. His listless heart tapped inside the echoing curves of fingerprints. For years his body had mimicked its own past behavior meaninglessly; his brain was as reflexive as stone. On and on, his flesh had sustained itself in a futile partnership with chemicals. Without causing the slightest change to his psychic inertia, Alan Daley's throat constricted. In several seconds his life was gone. * * * Lucia Lucia stumbled back towards her village. Her dress was sprayed with blood. When it occurred to her that it could take her hours to find the village in the dark she fell to her knees and vomited. His scream had made her ears ring. He did not try to escape; he fell to his knees and she cut him a second time, across the throat. Lucia vomited and chills swept through her body. She threw the pieces of Lisle Daley across the grass and fell forward. With her face resting on the earth Lucia blacked out. At dawn the next morning Lucia woke up, and found her way back to the village. * * * Alan When the nurse found Alan Daley dead, she rested a sheet over the body. She went out to announce the death with an expression of satisfaction. Finding no one, she called the morgue herself. Later that day she found Lisle's body in a field near the house, and called the police. * * * Lucia When news of the murder erupted in the workers' village, the old woman called Lucia to her hut. "I thought you said the wolf man was Tracy Daley. You killed the wrong person, Lucia: you killed Lisle Daley." Lucia's eyes widened. Her heart pounded. "No," she said, "You're right; it was Lisle Daley who I met with, not Tracy. I just got his name wrong; it was Lisle Daley." "Are you sure?" "Yes," she lied, "I have no doubt." The old woman stared at her, then gestured her away. Lucia left the hut intoxicated. He was alive! * * * Hannah The radio newsclip stunned Hannah. There were several suspects of the grotesque murder from the workers' village, but the disappearance of Tracy Daley pointed to him condemningly. Hannah did not believe that Tracy would kill his brother; that was unthinkable. But why did he disappear? She drove down to the Range to see if he left her any clues; any signs on where he might have gone, or what might have happened. After that she would have to go to the police and tell them everything she knew, though she feared everything she could tell them would only further impugn Tracy's innocence. In the middle of the afternoon, Hannah drove into the Range in Tracy's car. She found police padlocks on the house's doors. Otherwise nothing was different about the Range; the grass in the fields around the house was undulating under the wind; birds were singing in the oak trees scattered around the terrain. She walked down to the stream. There were no footprints in the sand. In the water she saw a crayfish dart between shadows of rocks. Upstream she saw the place where she and Tracy made love, then looked around at the monumental canyon walls and the low, dark shrubs bursting out of the rocky ground. For a moment she closed her eyes and listened to the rush of the stream. She opened her eyes, and froze: she saw Tracy's body half-concealed behind a boulder across the stream. She could not move. * * * Tracy "Tracy. Get up." The wolf watched his face, resting in the sand and gravel. Tracy moved his lips and felt the blood in his mouth. His eyes felt like ashes. "I can't, mother." He lost consciousness. His eyes opened several times as the wolf dragged his body by the arm across the floor of the canyon towards the water. At one point Tracy heard her emotionless voice intone words that were like dark birds in an empty sky. "Your father is dead, Tracy." He felt overwhelmingly sad. "You own the Range now. You have to get up." He heard his heart beating. It was too slow. He whispered, "I can't." "Drink from the stream, Tracy; just a little farther." Tracy's heart stopped. With his sleeve in her mouth, the wolf stared at his body. She let go of the sleeve. * * * Lucia The night she learned from the old woman that she had not killed Tracy -- that he must still be alive -- Lucia went to the oak grove where she slept with him. She waited there for hours, staring out over the field. When her feet became tired she sat down on the field. When her eyelids became tired, she closed them. When she woke up, it was morning. Everyone in the village was talking about the news: fearing retribution for the murder of his brother, Tracy had jumped off a cliff near his house and killed himself. Lucia looked into the eyes of the people repeating this story. They were convinced it was true. She was alone. ----- The Fall of Rome 92Jul14 5:28 pm from Bahamut Cal Poly is a CSU campus. I think Erik's complaint is that community college students, who transfer in, will be at a disadvantage. My understanding, however, Erik, is transfers in the fall will still be ok; but that NO ONE will be allowed to come in mid-year (Winter or Spring.) Might want to check into it. 92Jul14 6:58 pm from Gemini I'm lucky, I'm already enrolled at CalPoly. 92Jul14 7:35 pm from Zeylan I've been at City College for four years. 92Jul14 9:38 pm from Bahamut I'm back at UCSB again... 92Jul15 1:10 am from Roger Enright What year are you Bahamut? 92Jul15 2:23 pm from Zeylan I'm still in 1992. I don't know about the rest of you. 92Jul15 3:16 pm from Bahamut I'm a grad student. Graduated from here in '89...took a couple years off after an aborted trial at a different grad program. Came back here in April...just started this last quarter. 92Jul15 4:22 pm from Roger Enright Department? 92Jul15 4:54 pm from Bahamut History. Specifically, ancient, more specifically, Roman, even more specifically, late Roman Empire/Julian the Apostate. 92Jul15 11:31 pm from Roger Enright Ah. The romans were neat. Lots of things worth studying right before the church plunged Europe into the Dark Ages. 92Jul16 12:00 pm from Cockroach I would assert (again) that christianity was a symptom, not the disease... 92Jul16 1:48 pm from Roger Enright A symptom of what? 92Jul16 8:50 pm from Kappa Fox _A Lack of trust in the Government_ 92Jul17 8:42 am from joe foster Yep, a number of Roman sexual techniques were lost until the 60's, when they were rediscovered by a number of researchers. :-) 92Jul17 from needle-nose pliers "it's purely 'scientific interest', nothing more ." 92Jul17 5:16 pm from Cockroach A symptom of rome's decline... 92Jul17 6:09 pm from Roger Enright And what caused that decline (of Rome) if not Christian hostility to science (ala Galileo) and rational thought? 92Jul18 1:12 am from Cockroach Rome was never noted as an especially scientific state. Science was not its strength. Lack of science did not cause its fall. Rome's fall was due to a weak social and military structure. (I think the beginnings of this can be seen in the late republic...) Much as I hate christianity, I do not think the blame deserves to fall on its back. 92Jul18 6:33 am from SUN I doubt that Christianity CAUSED the collapse of Rome. Rather, it cashed in on that collapse. Rome fell because of the end of pantheism in the world, the rise of monotheism (a la Judaism) as a more explanatory theory of causality. And pantheism was exhausted, overwhelmed by the fact that Rome had physically united the world. Rome used pantheism as a tolerant policy for uniting multiple societies politically. But once these many many countries were politically united, they needed a new, more unifying belief system. So monotheism became more and more useful, understandable, acceptable. Various monotheisms competed for the role, but christianity eventually won out... because it was the monotheistic belief system with the most politically relevant ethic -- the ethic of rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar's. It was an ethic of passive resistance. 92Jul18 12:22 pm from colin Rome died of bad money and bad government. Catastrophic inflation. Finally the emperor imposed strict price and wage controls and decreed that people were required to stay on the land they were born on, and the feudal system began. Also, when barbarians besieged the cities, they would knock out the aqueducts to cut off the city's water supply. By the 400s, the city governments no longer knew how to repair the aqueducts. 92Jul18 6:15 pm from SUN That's WHAT happened (and lots more), not WHY it happened Colin. The question is why couldn't such a political empire sustain itself? Answer, insufficient inspiration, loss of direction, moral decline. And why did those cultural difficulties set in? Because the Roman Stoic philosophy proved insufficient for the challenges of a "global" empire that required increasing polytheism to maintain religious neutrality. Stoicism collapsed under its political burden of polytheistic confusion. So monotheism took over out of sheer epistemological efficiency and moral consistency. Not that monotheism was a constructive philosophy. But a consistent, efficient destructive philosophy (religion) will dominate a less consistent, less efficient one. So Stoic ethics failed to keep polytheistic Rome together, and monotheistic religions (judaism, christianity, mohammadism {sp?}) took over with their various ethical systems. 92Jul18 6:43 pm from Cockroach Uh... I don't think so. Rome fell because it never conquered germany, because it was ruled by a succession of fractious and idiotic monarchs, because it was basically two empires (the eastern rich and populous, the western poorer and more backward.) Rome did not fall because stoicism failed as a political philosophy. 92Jul18 8:22 pm from Roger Enright Why not? Your analysis is so shallow that I'm buying SUN's argument more than yours. What idiotic monarchs? Were they Stoics? Isn't the ideas of a person, i.e. his philosophy, what determines his idiocy? So then isn't Stoicism as presented by the monarchs the cause of the fall? 92Jul18 9:02 pm from Zeylan I have respect for any society that had public vomitoriums. 92Jul18 11:34 pm from the SUN And they sold perfume from coin operated machines to mask the smell of body odors from too little bathing, although they did have lots of bathing facilities. It's just one of the earliest practical uses of mechanized machinery. 92Jul19 12:29 am from Cockroach Roger, surely you jest. When I said idiotic monarchs, I meant bad administrators and generals. The ability of an administrator does not depend on his political philosophy; the two have nothing to do with each other. The immediate source of rome's downfall is plain: german invaders. The romans became too weak, the germans saw their opportunity, and that was it for the (western) roman empire. Why the romans allowed themselves to become so weak is a matter of debate. You can say that they shot their economic infrastructure to hell, you can say that the generals warred too much among themselves and the constant civil wars wore them down. You can say that they abandoned the military structure ( farmer-soldiers, client states and allies, elected generals) which brought them most of the empire in the first place. I really think that blaming either stoicism or christianity for rome's collapse is unrealistic, tho. 92Jul19 7:46 am from SUN Well, when you say that Rome allowed itself to become weak, that Rome shot its economic infrastructure to hell, that their generals warred too much among themselves, and that they abandoned their original military structure -- you're saying that they lost the cultural base that originally gave them coherence. It's much like saying that America has gone to hell because / to the degree that it's lost the moral/political awareness of the Virginia thinkers who framed its original founding documents. 92Jul19 11:32 am from Kappa Fox What happened to Rome would happen to the U.S. if we had Dan Quayle as president for 10 consecutive terms. 92Jul19 2:18 pm from Roger Enright A man's philosophy is what determines the choices he makes, including administrative ones. That's what ethics is all about: choosing the proper actions in life. The predominant philosophy of a society is called its culture, and it was that culture which eroded and led to the concrete problems you mention. In the abstract, however, it was the IDEAS which led to the downfall of Rome, not the concrete details of which aqueduct did what. 92Jul19 2:38 pm from The Gregster America is therefore on the brink of collapse! 92Jul19 3:54 pm from SUN No doubt about that is there? With half the federal deficit each year going to total and complete waste as mere interest on the national debt, we're almost bankrupt. With California's legislature resorting to criminal (i.e. intentionally harmful) tax policies now, we're in for really rough times. 92Jul19 4:45 pm from Roger Enright I agree, Gregster. Too much socialism -- reality is catching up to us. 92Jul19 8:29 pm from SUN I believe I meant to say: "half the federal BUDGET" (not deficit) each year." 92Jul19 9:19 pm . from Cockroach A person's philosophy does not determine his native ability to perform a particular job. True, a philosophy might get in the way of making the proper decision. But being a Republican, or a liberal, or a stoic, or a Christian does not necessarily make you a good or bad general, administrator, ditch-digger, or whatever. I agree that 'insufficient inspiration, loss of direction, moral decline' is pretty close to the root cause of the problem, but stoicism or polytheism was not the problem. 92Jul19 9:34 pm from SUN A person's philosophy certainly does delimit his ability to use his "native abilities" to whatever extent his philosophy conflicts with reality. If somebody REALLY believes that Green Gremlins are running the universe, making ALL decisions -- including the ones in his head -- and that they are invisible and all powerful (substitute devils, demons, angels, gods if you wish), he's not going to be able to function without constant distraction. Indeed, such people (and there are millions) are seen walking the streets talking to themselves, screaming at the empty air, banging their heads against walls, etc. 92Jul19 9:45 pm from Roger Enright You and I have hit the fundamental barrier, Cockroach: I think that ones ideas matter ALL THE TIME.You do not. At least we resolved it. 92Jul20 6:29 pm from Kappa Fox Witness Einstein. (although he, for the most part, managed to separate his religion and his science). He did, towards the end of his life, spend large amounts of time trying to change what he has theorized about the universe with his theological beliefs ("God doesn't play dice with the universe", etc.). 92Jul25 2:41 pm from Bob Folks, Rome fell for a variety of reasons, but it comes down to a severe weakness in the economy brought on by military catastrophe. First, as Fernautrd Braudel notes in The Mediterranean and the Mediterraneans, a pre-industrial society consumes 70% of what they produce on the land immediately. After spoilage, there is little left for trade. But, for Rome by the first century A.D. things were even worse. The vast majority of agriculture was by then slave-produced. The yeoman farmer, roman or otherwise was long-gone. His descendents were living in the major cities on the grain dole, being bribed with bread and circuses not to riot and burn down everything. Yet, it was a stable economic system as long as there were no long term stresses on the economy. The cities were approaching modern levels of population density per capita, but as long as the slaves produced and the borders were quiet, it worked. It bothered no one that the cities consumed yet produced nothing in comparison to their consumption. But, back in the second century B.C. the chinese managed to defeat and drive out the Huns(neat trick, that). As the Huns slowly migrated west, they beat the hell out of every tribe in from of them, eventually driving the German tribes into the Roman Empire. As the legions bled, the emperors taxed more, straining the weak even more, thus requiring more taxes to support the legions, which weakened the economy even more, etc. . . You get the picture. And thus Rome collapsed. The last two centuries on the empire were quite grim, thus making it easy for Christianity to gain converts. It was the only eastern "mystery" religion that was easy to join. The Mithras cults, as an example required you to bring a bull to sacrifice to join. All you had to do to become a Christian was show up, and it was open to all social classes. Finally remember, it took five hundred years for Rome to fall, and we haven't even been here for more than two hundred. Hail, Imperator! Ave! Ave! Ave! 92Jul25 5:07 pm from SUN Hail, Imperator! Bob: Your military-burden theory of what finally crushed Rome is interesting, and no doubt accurate as far as it goes. Without digging into the cultural decay that preceded all this military ineptness, I wonder if modern America has acquired an equivalent new lease on life because of the disintegration of the Soviet Empire? Our position vis a vis the Russians has long been considered equivalent to the Romans v. the Germanic Hordes. But in our case the enemy has regressed, at least for the foreseeable future. So now, maybe the lesson for us is to resist expanding into the power vacuum with our own imperial ambitions, yes? If we can resist the degradation of democracy into imperialism, and let the rest of the world crawl their way up to democracy, maybe we'll escape the Roman model of military overextension. But, then, we do still have 300 years left to catch up to the Romans! Ave! Ave! Ave! (By the way, what does Ave! mean?) 92Jul25 6:01 pm from Bahamut Ave: imperative from Latin verb, "to be well" basically it means hail! or farewell. 92Jul25 7:45 pm from Bob Cultural Corruption? The problem of our definition of political corruption is a problem when used with Roman history. Even under the heyday of the Republic, a roman governorof a province had a right to rape it of everything it contained. This was routine during the Republic. Many historians thus consider the rise of Augustus to be a blessing because the exploitation of the provinces ceased. Taxes were high under the first two hundred years of the empire, but stability and prosperity were assured until the coming of the barbarians. It is nearly impossible to point to a time in roman history where our definitions of corruption could not be applied. For the senators of Rome, the entire mediterranean basin was one big toy shop until the end of the Republic. 92Jul25 7:53 pm from Bob Interesting to note that in George Friedman and Meredith Lebard's book the Coming War with Japan, that they draw the parallel of the US and Rome at the time of the establishment of the empire. They note that things seem somewhat in disarray for the US, but that is only the momentary confusion following total victory. They note that for any imperial power, it far easier to make one's allies now pay for the cost of empire after the enemy is defeated rather than engage in the hard work of putting its own house in order. i.e. - use the navy to force Japan to pay off the US budget deficit and national debt by many forms of economic blackmail/blockade. 92Jul25 10:09 pm from SUN Uhm, yeah, I was afraid of that. The New World Order is the beginning of the American Empire! Ouch. I think I will now have to revise my global resistance plans, extrapolate them a hundred years or so further out. 92Jul25 10:19 pm from Bob The only problem being that considering the level of american technology and the ability to force tribute from the allies, it is possible that the american empire could be endless. 92Jul26 2:57 am from SUN Not really endless. The "american" label will quickly dissolve in today's global reality. I think we are very much on the verge of a truly global community. I say this despite the rising nationalism and disintegration of old countries simply because of the emerging technology: the fact that I can phone China right now from this same phone line that I'm talking to you on. I see the current depression in Santa Barbara County as an example of the globalization phenomenon. We are being made to suffer economically for our incredibly lousy laws, because of global pressures. We have driven out the profit margin sensitive private sector in all kinds of business -- especially hi tech computer assembly related industry -- and we cannot get away with it. They have moved elsewhere, and we are stuck with the consequent poverty of their absence. In other words, the breakup of the Soviet Empire is resulting in nationalistic idiocy all over Europe. And there is all kinds of grass roots idiocy rising up even in America as religion enjoys a revival over secularism. But these localized movements are vulnerable to global forces of technology and economics. And so I see hope for those of us who are technologically competent and economically mobile to generate a network of tolerance and peacefulness at the highest levels, riding out the grass roots/nationalistic/jingoistic/religious bigotry. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think underground economies can be connected and built up globally -- sort of multinational subculture ideal -- using advanced technology and tremendous tolerance of local idiosyncrasies. Another way to put it is: If we can survive and even flourish in Santa Barbara, we can do so anywhere! 92Jul26 9:40 am from Kappa Fox Once the EC gets together, it'll be a lot easier for a global alliance to form. Looking through history, most (if not all) major conflicts have been a result of nationalism in Europe. This has always been because Europe has so many different nations, languages, and cultures in such a small area, so conflicts inevitably arise. However, the EC will (hopefully) end that (or at least minimize it), making things a lot easier. As far as other communities, it would be fairly for other continental groups to form. A North American community would be simple to form, as there would only be three major members who already have pretty much open borders/trade. An Asian Community (or a East Asian community) would also be easy, with the major exception of China. Same with other areas. If other groups came together, then it would only be one more step to unify all the countries, coming together with an openness never seen before. Will this happen. Nope. Oh well. 92Jul26 10:21 am from Bob Don't bet on a North American zone. As soon as Clinton gets in, Canada will repudiate the free trade agreement and Gephardt and the Senate will sink the agreement with Mexico. Canada has been jacking up their tariffs and taxes to pay off their deficit incurred by their national health care system. Canadians buying cheaper american goods only makes things worse for their budget deficits. 92Jul26 12:37 pm from Roger Enright Especially when they go across the border into Detroit and other cities to buy goods and avoid the Canadian taxes. 92Jul26 1:26 pm from colin Now the US is getting into a beer war with Canada. 50% import duties on Molson's and Labatt's beers. So Canada imposed similar duties on US beers. DUmb. 92Jul26 2:04 pm from Bob No. Insane. Socialism in Canada has gotten to the point that Mulroney is speaking in Montreal that due to Canadian policies, they have the highest standard of living in north america. What he did not mention was 12% (official) unemployment. Gee, think they will raise taxes again? 92Jul26 2:20 pm from Roger Enright Mulrooney apparently does not value freedom enough to include it in his assessment of "standard of living." 92Jul26 3:37 from Cockroach It does not strike me that canada is an especially repressive society. 92Jul26 5:19 pm from Roger Enright Well, a 50% income tax is very repressive in my book. No private heath care is as well. Along with a bunch of other socialist programs, it adds up. It isn't China or anything, but it certainly violates a number of important rights -- more than the U.S. government does at present. I think they have some nasty gun control laws as well. 92Jul26 8:24 pm from colin I went to the World Science Fiction Convention in Toronto in 1974. The only laws I noticed were the liquor control laws that prevented me from buying beer or whiskey for the whole fucking convention weekend, except at the hotel bars for high prices. 92Jul27 12:27 am from Kappa Fox Say what you will, Roger, Canada is still a nicer place to live than a lot of the U.S. The people tend to be more mellow. I'll say what I will, and you'll never agree with me about that last thing. :) ----- 4x4 Rules of the Road by Trebe Callahan If you intend to own and drive a pickup there are a few absolutes: 1. You should drive a pickup truck whether you need one or not. It should be extremely large with lots of blinding yellow fog lights. If it doesn't have them already, purchase used tires from MX missile transport trucks (roughly six feet in diameter) and raise the suspension to allow clearance over the wimps that drive cars. If you must drive a car, make sure that it couldn't possibly pass inspection. 2. Practice your best scowl. Remember that this is the only expression you are permitted to show once behind the wheel. So make it as ugly as possible. 3. Do NOT be intimidated by the weather. It should never affect your macho driving style. Under no circumstances should you use windshield wipers. The are for appearance only. If snow has blanketed your vehicle, clear a peep-hole just large enough to see what's in front of you. You are not permitted to leave your vehicle to do this, however! If you can't reach around to the windshield while you are driving, then put on your defroster and windshield wipers full blast until you can just see the road. 4. Darkness intimidates wimps! Only use your headlights when its pitch dark and you see the police. Of course, if you do have those blinding yellow fog lights, you may use them whenever you see fit. It is also considered macho if only one front headlight works. 5. Always drive with your right hand on the wheel and your entire left arm hanging loosely out the window like a slab of meat. 6. Any loose objects in the vehicle may be thrown out of the window without hesitation (especially macho is throwing out burning objects like cigars). 7. The only appropriate time to use directional signals, if you must use them at all, is while you're driving in a straight line down the highway (you could actually leave them on all the time since nobody really believes you are going to turn anyway). 8. You must be prepared to yell obscenities at and give the finger to anything that moves. If you are always prepared, you will beat the other macho drivers to the punch. 9. In Los Angeles, the road sign YIELD has no meaning, but the sign STOP means YIELD. A flashing yellow or green light means the same thing as a YIELD sign, and a flashing red light is the same as a STOP sign. You must never come to a complete stop unless the vehicle in front of you comes to a complete stop. Only wimps stop for red lights. So be sure to blast your horn the split second the light turns green. 10. Driving in the breakdown lane is strongly encouraged. Passing traffic in the breakdown lane on multi-lane highways is particularly macho. Driving over the road shoulder or on top of the median strip to get around traffic should be left to the experienced macho driver. 11. Passing traffic on winding, narrow roads without hesitation will gain the respect of other macho drivers. 12. Never yield to emergency road vehicles such as ambulances. They will find a way to get around you (they should never have caught up with you in the first place). 13. You must master the art of tailgating to become a full-fledged macho driver. With practice, it is possible to maintain a distance of two to three inches between you and the vehicle in front of you without even paying attention! This is particularly confusing to the driver when you are in heavy traffic. If the driver in front of you tries something cute like slowing down, jamming on the brakes, or flipping the lights on and off, be ready with your obscenities and finger. Remember that you are always in a bigger hurry than the guy in front of you. 14. Another art to master is that of "cutting off" other drivers. This must be done with great care when cutting off other macho drivers. Sometimes it is necessary to wait for the oncoming vehicle for quite some time before rolling out in front of it, but that is the art. Your mission is to see the front of the vehicle you're cutting off nearly hit the ground as it brakes to a screeching halt. Of course, you appear never to have seen the oncoming vehicle even though you had to wait for it. You must then be careful not to accelerate until the driver you just cut off has finished giving you the finger and yelling obscenities. 15. Sometimes associated with "cutting off" is the ability to close off gaps in traffic. This is one of my favorite macho-driving techniques. When you detect a vehicle either trying to pull into traffic or accelerating towards you in an attempt to get past you, you must adjust your speed such that the gap in traffic will NOT be there when the vehicle gets to it. You must anticipate the driver's intention while nonchalantly altering your speed to intercept. A fun variation of this technique is to use it to prevent vehicles from getting on or off the highway. Remember that you must not notice the other driver's predicament as he/she jams on the brakes. ----- Sisters in Spirit by Island Girl A unity exists between the traditions and the customs of my country and of those where I live. My country is far, far away while I have chosen to live here. My spirit can grow here and I can determine and walk freely with whom I wish and where I want to go. Yet, sometimes, when my sister in spirit crosses my path, the fire within me lights my passion for sisterhood. I recently crossed paths with another of my sisters in spirit, and unfolded another cosmic unrehearsed story of unquestioning befriendment with a sister in spirit now glowing in life. Driving to the airport I adjusted the tape to play string music to calm the motion in my nerves. The ride wouldn't be very long. Besides, the music would soothe myself as well as the passenger I would soon be picking up. I'd spoken to her on the phone not more than 10 minutes ago. She had the warmest accent and very soft spoken English. She could melt a man's mind into most anything, I thought. Blanca was her name. I was so confident in being able to locate her in a crowd that I found myself picturing the color she said she would be wearing. "Olive green, ah, 'n pants." "Oh Blanca! I will be driving a blue car. It has a feather on the antenna." Why did I say that? The feather was fraying around the edges and she most likely wouldn't be able to see it. I don't ever see myself posturing for any of the other positions at work without being real with myself. I say what I want to say. I go on saying what I feel most times. A mom with a job, kids and a lover as my best friend and husband. Stacks of laundry to do and dishes in the sink. The house needs a good cleaning and the bills need to be paid. Which bills will be late and which will be later yet. I turn into the airport terminal. I don't see anyone with olive green on. I park curbside, she can see me. I feel funny as I close the door to the car. Looking back at the feather on my antenna which to my surprise is quite noticeable. I walk towards the entrance of the airport, I'm now laughing at myself about that feather. It gave me such good memories about Big Sur last summer. We spotted a whale pod off the coast and parked for hours just enchanted by watching them. It was magic that we had even noticed it as we drove home from spending an impromptu excursion up the coast early on a Saturday morning. The kids were at Oma's and Opa's and we of course hadn't any money to spend on a big vacation that summer. We were laughing at all the spots we were going to hide out in and the memories of getting high along the Pacific Coast Highway. When we stopped at turnouts to stretch and scan the horizon, I would find, both of us, eyes to the ground looking for single hit joints under cave-like canopy dark Monterey pines. I see a well dressed, short brown haired woman flagging me. Yes, she is in olive green. "Hi, Blanca! I hoped that your trip was well?" "Ah, Maria! Yes it was." She was dragging a large Samsonite bag along behind her. A purse and a carry on. She was all smiles. Yes, she brought with her the same warm friendly manner I heard on the phone. "Listen Maria, could you help some girls with directions?" she said. "You know the area?" "Sure, I would be glad to help if I can." Blanca motioned her arm towards the two gals. They came forward slowly, moving hesitantly. "Hello, can I help you. Where do you need to go?" "Yes, hello! My name is Wiljam and my friend is Carolijn. We are looking for a bus to take us to Capitan Beach to camp and hike." An excited numbness came over my arms. Like a deja vu but goosebumps. I saw in her features the high thick cheekbones and the laughing eyes. Northern traits, like those of my country, along with the soft natural coloring of clothes they wore. With the types of transportation open to them for options, I spoke myself into giving them rides all the way to the campsite that very afternoon. Blanca I knew was laughing at me. I had an intoxicated happiness. Thoughts of work removed from my mind; I started to relax and enjoy the company as I quickly pieced the new afternoon in my instant diversion from work. Blanca could be off at the hotel while I drove during my lunch hour to El Capitan Beach and recreation park with the girls. At the hotel, I made pleasant short goodbye wishes to Blanca. Packed Blanca with two 3-inch ring binders full of information and the next morning's training itinerary. She wanted to join the drive and afternoon with us as well. But a lot of technical reading was in store for her the entire afternoon for her. Now I was going to enjoy the afternoon. Wiljam, who was sitting in the back seat with Carolijn, was soon to move to the now empty seat in the front of my car. I was glad not to feel like a chauffeur. I drove the shortest route to the Pacific Coast Highway leading to the campsite north of the county. Soon Wiljam began speaking to me in accented English, happy eyes and her spirit and Carolijn's drugged me back into the 1970's, my early twenties when I too traveled, a free spirit soaring with the way the wind blows. It was great and you don't pass this off when you are already in your mid thirties. Not that I wasn't happy, life was still adventurous for me. I wanted to caution them about the vagrants traveling through this area and yet I didn't want to make them feel they had to be overly cautious. They had sufficient equipment from what I could see. The backpacks were on frames with the typical sleeping bag balanced just under the foam roll pad and the compartments all full and snug. But I was feeling the excitement that these young gals had in store for them as I listened to all the places they had yet to reach. Some of them included the National Parks and hiking that I had done when I was 16. The highway was empty and you could cruise on the road while enjoying the landscape. The hills roll into cliffs along the ocean and give the impression that you are riding the waves along the highway as you drive along. The colors of the wild grasses and rows of avocado trees on the farms play into the illusion of waves. The wind was gently blowing from the east and enabled us to keep our windows open to enjoy the warm smells breaking over the hills to the road we were traveling on. The exit to the campground was closer and I moved off the highway. As we passed under the train trestle Carolijn sighed amazed breath to the trees that aligned the road. Wiljam couldn't believe the fresh smell of the ocean. They had both loved to see the ocean on the west coast and had only seen it from the airplane. Now on sea level, they could feel it closely. The ranger's station was just up ahead and they spoke to each other about where they should be let off. "Don't worry, I know where to park." The ranger poked his head out from the protective privy enclosure. "What can I do for you?" Surely he was asking Wiljam, with her happy eyes. "I'm just unloading some hikers today!" "I had better give you a 10 minute pass." "Okay, if you have to." I was turned and laughing while the gals thought I was being serious with him. "Look Wiljam and Carolijn, it's only $3 dollars per day to hikers camping." "Oh, wat a goud deal!" "You will need to hike back and pay later when you get settled." I added. The camping was spit into trailers, tents and day use. So I drove ahead to the day use site which had a store for them to use. It was after lunch time so they might have gotten hungry. "I'll tell you something." I felt like I was telling a secret to a close friend. "Would you be interested in sailing tomorrow?" Wiljam immediately replied. "We both taught sailing in Holland, and we would jump at the chance to sail here. What size boat?" "It's only about 42 feet long and I'm sure you would enjoy meeting the crew of about 7-8 people. Call me tomorrow at work. I will ask my husband if he can take you sailing tomorrow. But you have to be ready near 3:30pm to be picked up. Are you interested?" I saw both Wiljam and Carolijn jump at the same time. "Ja, sure! You would do this for us?" "Ja, sure!" I repeated back. "Give me a call and you can go." "We will call you. That is something we would sure like to do." Carolijn handed me a piece of paper and a pen and I wrote down my home number, as well as my work number. "Okay, have a great day tomorrow on the beach and I shall wait for your call." "Ja, you will be sure to hear from us. See you tomorrow." "Ja, see you tomorrow." Carolijn repeated. As I drove off and returned the 10 minute pass at the ranger privy. I smiled. That was good. This was something fun. I drove onto PCH and reflected on my friends. I should be on that beach. Maybe I should invite them over for dinner afterwards. They could spend the night. Santa Barbara would be a fun day for them after that. But when do they have to catch the next plane? I suddenly felt that I was imposing upon these two nice gals. I'll find out later tomorrow. Returning to work I pressed the last three hours of work and didn't have to pry away from the computer to go home that night. I was excited and couldn't wait to talk about the gals, and if the boat had room for two more to go sailing! "No problem! But can they sail?" My husband always has to ask. Of course, they taught others to sail and they are from Holland. Something about Hollanders makes me feel that I can always trust them and that they tell the truth. However, if someday, someone lied about it, they would deserve to take the punishment of the green curse. They would get seasickness. That is a curse that you only endure once if you couldn't help it. Surely, these gals knew. You don't lie least the curse take hold of you. Then you never forget it. The next day zoomed. Busy with wanting to do everything that was more fun and interesting, but having to complete everything beforehand left me yet another 12 inches of paperwork yet a week late to process. Phones being extra busy didn't help. Yet another caller rings. Go away I thought. "Hi, Maria?" "Yes, can I help you?" "This is Wiljam. Is it all right to go sailing with your husband?" "Sure, I'll pick you up at 3:30 at the ranger station." "Okay, see you." "Bye." "Bye" Great, yet another escaped route to paradise. I jumped when the phone display read 3:10. I flew out without telling anybody. I never do that, I always notify the others when I have to leave for awhile. But not today. Maybe I won't come back on time. So I took my briefcase with me and locked the computer up as well as my desk. Carefully, I placed papers and a few pens around to allude to the appearance that I had indeed left for the day. Ah haa! The same route to the campsite has always given me the satisfaction of traveling north, every time I have the feeling, the jubilation of the travel north. North has always given me the feeling of home, secure with the thoughts of fire roaring in a wood stove with a cast iron skillet melting butter for the meal while tea water boiled in the kettle. Pines touching the sky so you couldn't see the blue atmosphere and you could only tell the weather by fixing your eyes on one point to see if you notice any drops of water or heavy mist saturating the ground as it fell. You would be wrong, but had prepared by layering your familiar slicker or poncho over the favored flannel shirt and sweater that Oma made. At the ranger station the gals were very happy to see me. I asked them if they had brought any warm clothing in case it began to get colder. On the water it can become cold quickly in the afternoon as the sun sets. They had each packed a small bag with a change for cool weather, but of course! I drove them to my husband's work. I was so excited I wanted to embarrass him by honking. But he was quicker and began waving. He wanted to have an excuse to leave early this day. Sensing that, I would let the gals know that's what was really the reason why I left work as well. We laughed and Carolijn wanted to know why I couldn't go along with them. With the way these types of races ended I was sure I did not want to attend the event. Men hooting and yelling, deck ornaments. Gals being passed around from one poised position to another on the boat partially to keep them out of the way and also to keep them in view to show off. Usually lots of drinking afterwards at the docks. The parties held afterward left remnants in everyone's mornings the next day in the form of gossip and scandal in true Santa Barbara soap opera style. But the girls didn't stay and party, they returned to my home, enthusiastic and sprayed with blessings from the Pacific. We sat down to enjoy a evening together with stories. Memories of times past, stories of the 30's in Holland, I was just as interested in them as they were interested in me. This sharing of stories always lifted my spirits in delight of the traditions and customs which make them so dear to me. The little black holes of memories hazed were pieced together with Wiljam and Carolijn giving me the missing parts of my puzzle of heritage. We shared the love of the wilderness and adventure alive in all of us gathered that evening. Traveling with them in their minds I envied them. They are the very euro-student that I wanted to share stories with. Being from the same country I could feel comfortable with myself as opposed to exposing myself and become defensive. That is the difference with most Americans and that is what differs the most with the people here and with those of Holland. This was confirmed by the remarks of how different Wiljam and Carolijn were and they in turn remarked on how I was very much like them. Wiljam had served as a foreign exchange student. An opportunity which families sacrifice daughters and sons to the United States for opportunities to connect with families that might someday help each other out in the future for education, support or reference if they venture out into careers which take them to America. That type of education is so valuable that I begin to dream of my children being able to obtain that same opportunity. Our kinship with a homeland and language as well as all that is real made it possible for us to become quickly sisters in spirit. It makes me very happy. Giving up a bed for my nine year old boy made him experience caring. Caring at that age for a little boy is difficult to teach. Example works best. Caring become confused with commitment for boys as they reach maturity and girls confuse commitment with everlasting love. It just fit the situation that evening. Wiljam and Carolijn could have slept in the living room or the little girl's bedroom. But, my son wanted to extend himself in caring by letting these gals use his bedroom. Unknown to each of us, we were sharing special gifts and exchanging precious values by enabling each of us to gain from the experience and letting each other care for each other. Carolijn then suggested that the following night they would make the meal. A special meal for us. I was glad I didn't have to cook for a day. They took a local bus the next day to tour Santa Barbara while we worked during the daytime. We left the kids at home while we went to work. I made a simple rice breakfast meal and took off for work. The day became a snail's pace at work. My mind would be better off if I had joined the gals as they toured Santa Barbara. I wanted to show them all my favorite hiking spots and viewing sites. When I spoke of the evening to my co-workers I was surprised to find that not one of them would consider taking in anyone as a stranger into their home. Especially if they had children, which few of them did have. I must have looked shocked at their cold attitude and reaction. Immediately after my amazed look they listed all the fears and precautions they would have with strangers. None of those fears ever entered my mind. Not that it wouldn't happen to me but because I had a reinforced strength in trust. Trust with myself to trust my choices to hold out my hand to people. They didn't and couldn't approve of that type of trust. I feel that they simply hadn't practiced helping strangers. Maybe that is what is missing with people touched with so much mistrust and fear of others. Wiljam and Carolijn waited for us to pick them up from Sterns Wharf near the harbor that evening after work. We enjoyed a nice meal of the biggest macaroni salad I ever had. It lasted for three days and one potluck later. That evening we enjoyed pleasant conversation of stories again and I started to get sad thinking about the plans they were making to leave the following morning. I would drive them to the airport in the morning on my way into work. Everyone was going to miss them. I almost went into a grieving stage when I had to say goodbye to Wiljam and Carolijn. Something inside was sparked by this visit of complete strangers. These are my sisters in spirit. I cannot find any other reason for my acceptance in people I know nothing about but leave me knowing everything I need to know about their yen. They are good people. ----- Metaphysics 92Jul21 3:49 pm from SUN No one nutrient is a problem. It's idiosyncratic (unique to the individual) and works at the chemical level. We all need to experiment for ourselves as to what works best with our metabolism, weight, lifestyle, etc. 92Jul22 9:59 am from The Gregster AND, we need an holistic approach. People get obsessed with protein or with vitamin E or cholesterol. WE ARE COMPLEX. NOT ALL NUTRIENTS HAVE BEEN DISCOVERED YET! Eat natural foods in their natural state and LIVE! 92Jul22 1:09 pm from Roger Enright Why is it called "holistic" and not "wholistic" since the latter seems more accurate? 92Jul22 1:25 pm from Zeylan Because he's using it in some bizarre religious context. 92Jul22 2:52 pm from Cockroach The idea of holistic health has a little merit, but the mysticists have completely changed its meaning. 92Jul22 9:13 pm from fth My dictionary doesn't seem to have the origins of holistic, anyone? Interesting definition though. holism: the view that an organic or integrated whole has a reality independent of and greater than the sum of its parts. There seems to be at least something to the Ayuraveda flavor of holistic medicine. 92Jul23 12:30 pm from Kappa Fox Although, in a way, it is true. The Human consciousness has a reality that is totally greater than the sum of a bunch of cells. Humans are very holistic, by their very nature. 92Jul23 2:48 pm from Roger Enright It is definitely true that the sum can be greater than the individual parts. Look at any machine or computer. But the key to holism is that it asserts that this whole HAS A SEPARATE REALITY, that the reality which applies to the cells of the brain doesn't apply to the whole brain, or that brain's consciousness. That doesn't make any sense! 92Jul23 7:42 pm from colin "holo" is from the Greek, meaning "totally." For sure. A hologram has the total picture in every fraction of storage space. "Holocaust" = "totally burnt." 92Jul23 from Death Penguin Exactly. And "hollow" comes from the same roots, and originally meant "completely empty." And "hello" derived from the same etymology also, and at first meant "completely empty." 92Jul24 3:48 am from SUN Yeah, I've heard waving to someone you're approaching (Hello!) was a way of showing that you were unarmed, a medieval practice I believe. 92Jul24 9:21 am from Kappa Fox Well, Roger, in a way, there is a different reality to humans as opposed to the individual cells: The intellectual reality. Like what we're doing right now. We see ourselves as conversing, having discussions, talking about abstract ideas and concepts, when in reality all we're doing is just typing stuff on a computer. The real world occurs; it takes an intellectual standpoint (and separate reality) to make sense of it. 92Jul24 6:33 pm from Roger Enright Huh? How does reality apply differently when I am typing than when I am at work with a client? What is your evidence of a second reality, and how come the original one no longer applies? Why the dichotomy? 92Jul24 7:41 pm from colin I think Kappa means that in the real world, various separate events happen, and they have no connection except in the human intellect. In the real world, all that happens is that I type words at my house, and sometime later they appear on the screen at your house. Our "contact" takes place in a virtual reality, and not in the real world. 92Jul24 8:20 pm from SUN If all Kappa is saying is that we're communicating electronically, why doesn't he say that. And since it's so obvious, why does he bother? Perhaps because that's not what he's saying. Maybe he's intending to say what he actually has said: that he considers the mind to be a supernatural process, an apparently different dimension adjoining the one where his fingers are typing. He's expressing the standard body/mind dichotomy that makes so many people feel alienated from reality, floating abstractions out of touch with their bodies and its senses. 92Jul24 10:59 pm from Death Penguin I don't agree with that dualism. I think the "mind" is just a bunch of subtle physico-chemical processes. The problem is that we don't know which cells to stimulate to get the right responses yet. What do you think, SUN? I got a slightly different interpretation of Kappa's message. I thought he was saying that from our point of view, this is like a conversation we're having. But in a sense it's really not, since we enter our messages then go do other things. People can respond hours or days later, and yet there's still a feeling of continuity to it AS IF IT WERE a real conversation. So there's the experiential reality, which is DIFFERENT FROM the more objective, abstract reality. 92Jul25 1:02 am from Kappa Fox Colin's the one to get what I was saying. Here, I'll paraphrase what I said: As I type here, In one reality I'm just a big sack of chemicals that are moving in some weird way, reacting with other chemicals (in this case, the plastic of my keyboard), which, through other reactions, has some effect somewhere else (i.e., [YOUR MONITOR]). The actions of chemicals, have meaning, however, but only in a higher, separate reality: The reality of our consciousness, thus demonstrating the holisticness of the human person. Example: The sentence "The boy jumped over the dog" in one reality is just a bunch of phosphors that are the result of physical processes. In another reality it summons as image (the very act of summoning an image is another property of this second reality) of a child doing a little jumping. 92Jul25 10:00 am from fth It seems to me that you guys are all using the word 'reality' in different ways. 92Jul25 10:45 am from SUN FTH: Precisely, that is the root problem here. What is needed is a recognition that ANYTHING that exists is real, that reality is that which exists -- whatever it is that exists. Thus, there is only one reality, and it is everything that exists, whether we know about it or not, care about it or not, or can even imagine it or not. What exists, exists, independent of our consciousness. Our consciousness is internal too, and an integral part of reality. If we abuse our consciousness, we are not abusing reality, merely our teeny tiny part of it -- i.e. ourselves. 92Jul25 11:30 am from Roger Enright And the mind is an integral part of the body. Simply because one is conscious does not mean the mind and body are unintegrated. There many things the body can do to influence a human unit, and there are also a great many things that the brain/mind can do to influence the unit. But there is no need to place one artificially "above" another, simply because one is conscious. 92Jul25 12:24 pm from Kappa Fox What I am saying is that our consciousness (I don't want to get into another discussion of whether or not consciousness exists or not. For the moment, I'll assume it does...) is actually a separate reality from what the physical reality is. Imagine an image of a cube. Now where does that image reside? Definitely not in the physical reality, there is no physical picture of cube anywhere in your head. Instead, the image resides in a conscious reality, which is where we think. That second, higher (or at least different), reality is what leads me to conclude that the human organism is very holistically organized. Take away a human's organized structure, and the physical reality is much smaller compared to the reality that we live in by having an organized structure to our cells (a brain). 92Jul25 1:10 pm from Death Penguin Kappa, that image of brain corresponds perfectly to physiological processes. The quirky thing about your picture of multiple realities is that you call each one a "reality." If that's legitimate, there could be zillions of different "realities" for each act. You can conceive the cellular level as a reality, the cognitive level, the sometimes quite distinct emotional level, on and on, all as different realities. Then you could easily take it a step further to different people's perspectives constituting different realities, but then were sliding into solipsism. Recognizing that anything that exists is REAL, Sun, demands also the recognition of different kinds of status that we refer to casually as levels of reality. Hallucinations are real, but they're real hallucinations, not real perceptions of actual things. When we say everything is real, we have to be careful, as I'm sure you realize, to ask, Real WHAT? As for the statement that what exists exists independently of our consciousness, that depends. What about fantasies, emotions, intuitions, individual thoughts, things of less certain ontological status like that? Without our consciousness they do not exist. And what about things like coups? Is it a coup without our consciousness? Well, it's a certain person or a group of people displacing another person or group of people generally in a coercive way, but there's nothing about it that naturally MAKES IT a coup. What makes it a coup was our demarcation of the word, and words being entirely within our control, purely artificial, the events COUP-NESS hinges on our consciousness. In fact, the status it has as independent from earlier events and subsequent events, in other words its limits as a single event, is also reliant on our consciousness. 92Jul25 1:25 pm from SUN No argument from me that there are concepts of consciousness (hallucinations, perceptions, etc.) and there are states of consciousness. And one man's concept or state exists INDEPENDENT of another man's awareness/consciousness of it. Nor do definitions exist in a different reality. One man's definition exists in his head/consciousness/awareness until he communicates it to others. Definitions are contextual, and broader contexts legitimize broader definitions. However, it is the referents in reality that make our definitions useful or not. If our definitions are arbitrarily formed and/or used (without constant reference to reality), then they are useless for us as well as others. Definitions are constructs of consciousness, but are not thereby free of reality, free to be abused, free to be nonsensical and still function as definitions. Consciousness is a relationship to reality, not a process independent of and devoid of reality. Don't destroy your consciousness by dichotomizing yourself, cutting yourself off from the biological and cognitive roots. ----- Quiet Years I don't remember anything from before I was sixteen. When I was sixteen, I stopped thinking about my childhood. Back then the forest around my town was almost endless. The trees grew deep on land that was full of slopes and gullies; there wasn't a single stretch of flat earth more than a quarter of a mile long. Deer hunting was really difficult there, but we all liked it a lot. I did it a couple of times a year with my friends and their dads; my own father was an officer in the army who decided he never had any reason to come home. We went out for weekends with our dogs and our hunting gear and lived on the land. I didn't have any brothers or sisters. Well, at least not that I knew about. I figured my father was probably across the ocean somewhere, in Europe or Asia or Africa, and I thought he must have a girlfriend or even another wife out there somewhere -- so who knows? Maybe I had a half-brother or a half-sister on some other continent. I wondered sometimes what my half-brother or half-sister was like. I figured I might try finding them when I finished school. That fall my mother left without telling me she was going. I figured she must've just decided it was time for a little vacation. There was no note or anything. I was pretty bothered by it, I didn't even know if she was going to come back, really. I got really angry. Deer season had just started, so I decided to take a few days off from high school and go hunting. I got my rifle, my knife, some supplies, and started out into the forest. Before I left my house I wrote my mom a note just in case she got back and found me missing. Hunting alone wasn't like hunting with a bunch of friends. The woods were really quiet, there were even times when I couldn't hear any birds. Sometimes it would be so long before anything moved that I thought I was going to turn into a statue. But it was good to get out alone, I guess, cause at least I stopped thinking. I lit a fire on the first night and got really scared. Owls and raccoons looked out of the woods at me with their glowing eyes. Even when I couldn't see any eyes around me I felt like I was being looked at. At about one in the morning I got so nervous I shot off a round from my rifle into the woods just to make a point. I saw a doe around noon the next day. It was standing by a little stream looking around. I guess it had heard me and was trying to figure out where I was. Before the doe could run away I squeezed out a round from my rifle and grazed its back. The deer ran, and I followed it. Trying to find the deer without a dog was hell. It took forever. Sometimes I was ready to give up looking, but then I'd find a few specks of blood on the ground and get my determination back. By sundown I still hadn't found the deer, but it was too late to start walking home. I found a patch of level ground and made camp. I had a dream that night. Without having to move my legs, I was rushing through the trees in the forest. I was going so fast everything was going past me in a blur. I thought I was flying at first. I looked down and saw that I was riding a doe. She stopped running when she got to a stream. She lowered her head and began drinking. Then we both heard something, and she looked up. She perked her ears and gazed around at the forest. We heard the sound again: a human voice. I looked off to the west and saw someone standing in a shadow. He was holding a gun and aiming it at us. I poked the deer to get her to look over in that direction, but she wouldn't. I didn't want us to get shot. I grabbed her neck and tried to turn her head towards the hunter so that she'd see him, but she just wouldn't look. I decided to yell at the hunter to put down his gun, but before any sound escaped my mouth his gun went off. I woke up and the forest was pitch black. I thought I was dead. The next day I wandered around for another six hours before I decided to give up and go home. Two miles from the edge of the forest I began to hear a bunch of dogs barking. There must have been at least a dozen of them, they sounded mad. I had never heard anything like it. As I got closer to them, still a ways away, I began to see what was happening; there was something on the ground that they were all fighting over -- something that really got them excited. I didn't figure it out until I saw it with my own eyes; they were tearing apart the deer I shot the day before. It had wandered almost all the way to the edge of the forest before dying, and then all the neighborhood dogs had discovered it. The deer had almost walked to my doorstep to die. I consider that hunting trip the end of my childhood. My mother finally came home a week later, but only to tell me that she was selling the house and moving to another state. I couldn't come with her; she was finally giving up on dad and moving in with another man. -- Martin Martin, 1992 ----- LIP THINK MAGAZINE. http://www.swagazine.com/lipthink/ Copyright (c) 1992, 1997 Lip Think Press. All rights reserved.